True dat G-Fist and yes I still have your pms PM's it was all for fun though and yes I agree this is a shit show hew obi stretch EE Roby are pretty much the only real LoD in my book the rest are lollable. I'll explain how I made carnage cry and I assume the rest of the nerds not the ones I listed are about the same. I fueled him in UO cause he was supposedly one of LoDs best proceeded to whoop him mind you this is IRL I was at the lady's house he lived with many knew her as Hope. I took his vanq bow and told him he's not getting it back cause that's all part of the game. Now let me tell you the real sad truth to this story. I WAS 13 years old he was 20+++ he went to his room with his dog and cried for 3 days while hope begged him to come out and enjoy himself. Long story short I gave him his bow back and he was just never the same. If LoD won tourneys and competed at a professional level like I did for 10+ years sponsored by every pc cafe in California and Texas for years and Intel nvidia plantronics id have some respect but for now they are just gamers plain and simple so no reason to be up on thrones talking down to everyone. It's life have fun I'm gonna be on Albion and I hope I'm not the one that makes them all quit.