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Not a stat you could really create Vermi. No way to really know how many guns are in a state, let alone a city. There is no registration. The 300 million guns in the US is honestly a SWAG itself.

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Deadly Matter]You told the numbers for the US. How about for all of Europe? They are about the same size. Compare apples to apples. A single state in the US is comparable to most countries there.

USA have 4.6 murders per 100k population. Most of europe have 1-2 per 100k, except the countries with ongoing ethnic/religious/etc conflicts. The old soviet block countries are a bit too high but it's understandable, only 25 years since communism imploded and everyone is fighting for their piece.
Canada have 1.6 per, Australia 1.1 per, UK 1 per. All countries with good firearms legislation and law enforcement. Hell, even we have 1.9 and we're not that strict about it.

In exact numbers, if you had our rates that would translate in about 8000-10000 less murders per year. I can only speculate a guess - about 50% of it can be tied to your gun abundancy.

You can check the full list here.

Though you can shrug these numbers off easily, you're net gaining steadily ~2 mil people per year.




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You figure out how to get the guns and stupid away from these guys (bonus points if you can understand what the fuck they are saying, I think it has its roots in English but...):
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1575582935997258

and then we'll talk about getting them away from law abiding citizens. Until then... si vis pacem, para bellum

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Cable news bro, those guys are comedians and clowns playing for the crowd. They're good at their job when they're funny, not when they're right. Guns haven't been allowed in schools or on campuses for a long time, and there have been tons of federal and state firearms regulations before Columbine, and since Columbine. Hell, Columbine actually took place during the experimental assault weapons ban the feds tried, but didn't renew upon findings that the criteria chosen were arbitrary, and 10 years worth of studies showing it had absolutely no effect on anything.

And therein lies the problem. Most Americans agree with the idea of reasonable firearms regulation. The problem is we already have reasonable firearms legislation. There's no shoe-bomb quick fix for something as unpredictable as school shootings.

The only quick fix would be to somehow get rid of all guns, which is 1. Impossible at this point 2. Requires drastic measures and would produce drastic consequences such as bloating our already bloated prison population, rampant police overreach ie Ferguson nationwide, creation of a prohibition-style black market and a consequent renaissance in organized crime, creation of an armed and unarmed class with rich people exempt from this legislation and criminals de-facto exempt, etc. 3. It is expressly prohibited by the foundational document for all of our laws. Bsaically, even liberal interpretations of our second amendment suggest you can be reasonably armed as an individual militia member might be, ie self defense against tyrannical foreign, domestic, or individual enemies. There's additional federal and state law and regulation to clarify this, but the bottom line is you can't disarm the population completely.

The problem with fixing these mass shootings by regulation is that nobody can actually write up a gun regulation that looks like it would have a chance of addressing these school shootings. We already have that law, no guns allowed in schools. It's always this conditional stuff like "potentially lower the bodycount" via mag capacity, or products of misunderstandings of how gun transactions work in the real world with stuff like "close gun show loopholes". Now we can, and do, discuss those regulations. In fact, it's what people generally argue about over the internet, laced with lots of unsolicited cable news bullshit both ways. The problem with all those arguments is that they're not very narrowly crafted to address the problems we want to fix. In short, we haven't regulated this problem out of existence because nobody has put forward a regulation that looks like it has even the vaguest chance of regulating this problem out of existence. I imagine it has something to do with the fact that it's hard to effectively regulate violent crazy people who can't care about laws.

Basically we're not Canada, and you work with the population you have, not the one you want. We lock our doors, and Glenn Beck is a bestselling author. Come to think of it you might lock your doors too if he was a bestselling author there.


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Yeah I know Hex - Just keeping the thread alive smile

We even had a Gfist sighting, vermi hasnt posted in the last ten minutes so im starting to get worried someone got into his fifteen guns.

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Originally Posted By: [LoD
Hexen]Guns haven't been allowed in schools or on campuses for a long time


Idaho and Utah are among the states where you can conceal carry on campus. In fact, within months of the new law being implemented 2 teachers shot themselves with their own guns.

http://www.idahostatejournal.com/news/lo...1a4bcf887a.html

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58402182-78/horsley-teacher-district-elementary.html.csp



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Not much more to say really. I only revived the thread because a new development occurred in the court case which started the thread.

Then the arguing started again and honestly there's no new material here, just new participants. Thread is going in circles at this point. Bleeding heart pacifist Harry who lives on the other side of the world and has literally nothing of value to add decided throw his 2 cents and guns are bad mmkay opinions in on the issue of Americans having guns. Then I used the same exact arguments I have multiple times now in this thread. Same people agreed with me. And Hexen even made his token appearance (for the 3rd time in this thread I think) to once again make a valiant attempt at laying this thread back to rest by explaining why there's no simple solution to the issue of gun control. We have come full circle.

I think Hexen already said once, and quite accurately I might add, something to the effect of the this thread only being alive due to workplace boredom.

See you all back here in 9 months after Kamala Harris (who the fuck voted to re-elect this bitch anyway?) files her appeal on the denial of her motion to intervene and the courts decide on that.

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