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Jackboots != Nazis, even if the Nazis did employ what I would term as jackboots. Just about every country in the world has used force in such a way that I would use the term. That does NOT give them all the connotation that "Nazi" does. Nazi is a far worse term that I would reserve only to describe those truly deserving the title.

If my friends carried out orders that I disagreed with like barging into someone's home and taking their property because a judge said it was OK, then yeah, I'd call them a jackboot. It's entirely a case by case basis, but I believe in complete freedom until you have an absolute water tight case to restrict freedom.

At my job (sys admin) security is about least privilege. You have the minimum amount of privilege to do your job. Outside of my work I believe it's the other way around. You should get the most privilege as long as it does not impact the privilege of those around you. So when I see a potential risk of my privilege being taken away, even though my privilege impacts no one, I take notice.

In other words, you believe police have the right to disarm the mentally ill as long as enough proof exists. Sounds good to me, and that's the stance I've had the whole time.

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I think everyone can agree that if someone is fucking mentally retarded, has severe autism or something else to that effect they shouldn't be able to get guns legally. WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING THE WHOLE TIME, ROK.. is how does that even get fucking enforced without infringing on the privacy and rights of everybody else. We cant even keep track of who comes into the US, or keep felons from buying guns legally in many cases, so how the fuck is that going to stop the next shooting?

I think grenades and Mk-19's should be legal and unregistered.

-Gfist

I think everyone can agree that if someone is fucking mentally retarded, has severe autism or something else to that effect they shouldn't be able to get guns legally.

-Gfist

Well, what one is it? You are starting to contradict yourself.

I do think they should be legal and unregistered, when there is a rash of autistic kids or people with extremely pronounced mental illness killing people let me know. Because most of these shootings couldn't have been stopped by another law, and most of these killers seemed strange but normal enough until they did the deed. How do you explain normal people who do killings? are we all mentally ill? just sometimes? see where this goes.. missed the mark again bro. You ever going to add anything? or we just trolling again?

Sadly, you are right about the mentally ill thing. Adam Lanza for example (Sandy Hook shooter) was diagnosed as mentally unstable. He wouldn't have been able to purchase a gun under CA's new mental illness law and he also wasn't 21. Thing is, he wouldn't have needed to. He took his guns from his mother, who did not have mental illness and who purchased her guns legally.

Even so, I see no problem with a law that prohibits people with a history of mental illness from purchasing or owning guns. Of course, there are other ways to get guns and yes I agree they will find a way to kill if their minds are set on it. But why not throw as many hurdles as possible in their way? I can't think of a single good reason for people with mental illness having access to guns.

Rok, you may think I have changed my stance, but I haven't. I still see no reason for CA to require some inconsistent rule that requires a showing of "good cause" to the local sheriff in order for for lawful gun owners to carry concealed weapons AND ALSO ban open carry. It takes away a law abiding citizens right to bare arms. But that's a totally different topic than what we're talking about now. Crazy people don't usually make sound decisions and I think as a general proposition, firearm owners should be rational people who don't have any problems with mental illness.

Its all about how we're going to go about defining mental illness, for instance, Rok I'm pretty sure believes I have mental illness.. if he was the authority I'm sure he wouldn't let me have guns. See where this goes? Clearly, mental retardation and other outwardly obvious mental illness makes it easy, but those are not the people going around killing people.. otherwise those that work in those homes for the mentally disabled would be getting killed left and right. The huge number of homeless that are there because of or partially because of mental illness are by-in large not killing people either, they have a greater chance of getting killed by the cops, so do those cops have mental illness?

I would disagree with you on this point. Adam Lanza absolutely demonstrated clear, outward signs of mental illness.