I'm going to go ahead and be done with this thread as we're not making any progress at this point.
I just think there's a fundamental difference in the way some of us think and there's no hope of resolving these differences.
I've seen this a lot on the internet actually. I've watched lots of youtube videos of people going through immigration checkpoints and DUI stops and refusing to answer questions. When I read the comments, I see lots of G-Fists and Vermis and lots of Obs', Sonyas, Roks and Antis too. What I mean by that is I see a TON of people saying stupid shit like: "Why didn't they just answer the questions, what could it have hurt?" "All they are doing by refusing is delaying traffic for the people behind them. Assholes!" I also see a few more intelligent comments like "Why are they assholes for asserting their constitutionally protected right not to answer questions at roadblocks from police who have no reasonable suspicion for stopping them in the first place?" and "The people that are causing the delays are the cops who choose to continue to interrogate the driver after they refuse to answer instead of simply respecting their right not answer the questions and letting them be on their way".
As I've watch these arguments play out I've come to realize that many Americans simply don't value their civil liberties. Hell, many of them aren't even aware of them because they're too fucking lazy to read. People that don't care about their rights are never going to see eye to eye with people that do.
DUI checkpoints and immigration checkpoints infuriate me. I'm sure Rok, Sonya, Obs and Anti are completely fine with them. And that's what I mean when I say I think there's a fundamental difference in the way we think that cannot be resolved.
Have fun guys, I won't be back to this thread.
