Roksmokar]Vermi, you retard, the vehicles are donated and the cost is the price of gas to drive to said destination. The cost of training and upkeep is also minimal. This has already been explained to you. Don't ignore posts and then ask for questions that have already been answered.
Define significant amount of life, asshole. How many lives does it have to save to justify it's use in your narrow mind? You are so naive as to the day to day of a law enforcement officer, it's no wonder you are so ignorant on this matter.
I bet if you had a loved one in law enforcement you wouldn't make such prick statements.
Everything you said in this post is completely and totally fucking wrong Rok. And let's not resort to insult's okay? It's childish and you're better than that.
First, one of my oldest and closest friends in CHP. He was recently promoted to internal investigations so he doesn't work patrol anymore but he did, for years. Right out of the academy, he was sent to So. Cal (as most CHP are). He volunteered to work Compton graveyard shift. He did this because he was single at the time with no children and he wanted to actually lock up bad guys, not write tickets all day. He said he wanted to work the worst of the worst because he knew if he could handle that, he could handle anything.
He's killed someone in the line of duty. It was in the papers here in Sac a few years back. High speed chase that lead to the perp pinning an officer (my friend's CO) in between his vehicle and another car. My friend shot the guy in the throat through the windshield and killed him. He said he genuinely felt the guy was trying to kill the other officer, so he killed him first.
This friend matters to me Rok. If he died, it would effect me tremendously. So don't sit here and talk shit like you know the first thing about anyone in my life because you don't. He's a good man and a good cop. He's "one of the good ones". I mean that with utmost sincerity. I've known him since I was 15. I trust him. We've had many MANY conversations about his job, weapons, civilian rights, erosion of civil liberties, open carry, concealed carry, etc etc.
He told me he has never once lied in a report or in court. He also told me if he pulled someone over on a DUI stop and they turned out to be a cop, they are going to jail if they are drunk. He told me if he pulled me over and I was drunk, he would arrest me for DUI. The reason for this is not being a hardass. It's because he's had to knock on people's doors in the wee hours of the morning and tell them their children are dead because a drunk driver killed them. He's had a woman die in his arms in front of her husband at an accident scene after being hit by a drunk driver who's had 2 prior DUI's. My point is simply that he knows fist hand how dangerous drinking and driving is and he takes that seriously. Nobody gets a free pass from him on criminal activity, including other cops. That's why he was so thrilled to be transferred to internal investigations. His job is now to investigate and arrest state workers who engage in illegal activity at their jobs. He's not a fan of corruption.
Now that that's out of the way, I think you're misunderstanding what I have been saying here. I don't think the police purchased the vehicles Rok. Seriously, how dumb do you have to be to think that's what I am saying? I linked you an article from the WSJ that specifically says they're donated. I am aware that they are donated Rok. I am also aware that they are vehicles. Real property that has a dollar value. They could be sold to other countries. Jeebus knows we have allies that would buy them. I'm saying I don't think they should be donated to police departments when they could have been sold. I am saying I don't think the cost to maintain them is worth the amount of lives they could potentially save. I'm saying that you stating that "they were going to be scrapped" doesn't change the fact that the could been sold rather than scrapped. Are you really going to sit here and tell me that you don't think the federal government could have either sold these vehicles, sold the metal, engines, etc from parts, or used the parts for other things? In your eyes, does a war machine immediately have zero dollar value when it comes back from war even though it still works?
You're asking me for numbers and I have given them to you Rok. I showed you numbers from a reliable source that showed you approx 170 officers die in the line of duty each year. How many of those deaths do you really think an armored vehicle is going to prevent? 170 deaths a year is seriously not even a blip on the radar in the causes of death department in the country.
Want to know what I think? I think you're one of the people who are okay with police having these if it saves even one officer life. If I am correct on that then your paradigms for rational thinking are so fundamentally different than mine that I truly believe there is zero point in you and continuing this discussion because we will NEVER agree. Since you've had a loved one die in the line of duty I think your judgement on the issue is clouded because the topic is too personal for you. This is sort of obvious considering you resorted to calling me a retard and an asshole. This topic obviously incites strong emotion from you. Emotion is the enemy of logic.
Also, you're funny for talking to me about ignoring posts. I didn't ignore anything. There you go again making ridiculous statements of fact without any credible sources to back them up. "...the cost is the price of gas to drive to said destination. The cost of training and upkeep is also minimal." Please back this up with credible source information. Just because you say something doesn't make it true. I didn't ignore your earlier post. I read it and dismissed it because you made similar statements of fact without any credible source info. They have a word for when people make statements that cannot stand up to scrutiny. It's called bullshit.
