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Making fun of the opposition is akin to admitting you have no real logical rebuttal. Alright msnbc. Let's ignore the topic and instead make fun of them. Maybe enough people will get on our bandwagon and we will become the majority and in effect "win" the argument. I've been a practicing internet troll since 28k..

LOL Hexen!!!!

So far Obs has been the only one to take a position or add any semblance of a counter argument to the original topic. The usual suspects have been thoroughly destroyed on this topic and with that I declare..

Feel free to answer this question if anyone wants to try.. Why do local police departments need Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles and other military grade gear, like fully automatic rifles?

Lol, I'm betting you don't even remember your original topic.

Tell me why I should bother reading your posts? Logic means nothing to you and the majority of your posts are so far out of reality it's laughable.

Everyone on these forums knows that you and gfit hate all laws and all law enforcement. The very people that protect you are actually just assholes abusing the law and their main goal in life is to kill and do ridiculous shit that fits into your mold of what you want them to be. I do acknowledge that there are law enforcement officers out there that make mistakes and/or may even be corrupt. However, I'd rather not acknowledge them because, in my opinion, they will get theirs.

Nothing personal, you're just uneducated on a lot of issues. You were the same person that argued until blue in the face that driving an atv at law enforcement, screaming at them, walking at them, with fists clenched, all while inciting a riot was actually a peaceful demonstration of his rights...



I wasn't there on this issue so i don't really have an answer for you, I can play devils advocate...
What would you do when staring down the barrel of an assault rifle...throw your poke-ball at him? That issue goes to court and because it's totally justifiable to shoot a person pointing a gun at you, you go at the other issues in the case. Was the order to enter the house lawful, there was a valid-signed search warrant. Did they give notice? I wasn't there so that's where we don't know the answer. If you have such a problem with the way law enforcement handles thing why don't you guys provide your expertise in tactics and strategy, then we could critique you...

I guess we could just enforce the laws the Vermi/Gfit way and sit in our patrol stations playing cards...fuck laws, people don't want us to enforce them so I think we'll just do nothing. That's probably not going to happen...



Having just bored you all with a wall of text, I don't think it's fair to let you guys keep believing that all law enforcement profile/target prior military. I won't go into all the ways that I or LE in general can cut prior military breaks with a lot of things. While the fact that they have superior tactics comes into play if I'm going to make a high risk arrest, I think, for the most part, I enjoy working with prior military. In my experience, when I arrest prior military for domestic violence/assault/drug charges they have always been cool about it and remorseful. I have been in way more fights with the average joe that hates law enforcement than I have with gang members or prior military. And, I've even had a prior military dude come help me out when some assholes tried to lynch a prisoner from my custody.


TL;DR
Making blanket statements about law enforcement is ridiculous. Every state has their own set of laws, and every department has their own policy. So making generalizations about cops gearing up to fight a war is ridiculous. In a department of 3000+ deputies, on average, they have about 40-50 SRT members with advanced equipment. The rest of us carry around a handgun and a vest.

Since you didn't really address anything I said at all and instead decided to focus on Vermi's post ill just address a few things. This is completely false and disingenuous, I have family that are in law enforcement and we have debated this at length in PM's previously as you well know.



The officer in the video uses the rational that prior military are coming back from the wars with the ability to defeat police tactics (IED making, advanced training) as justification for the use of MRAP's. I'd wager his comments are not just isolated to him and part of broader training and policy. There are memo's and declassified documents that clearly relate upside down flags and don't tread on me jacks as extremist paraphernalia. I clearly stated that they have these threat assessments for other groups and all kinds of scenarios as well.



The police have never protected me and this is the biggest myth surrounding police.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html?_r=0

Police, 99% of the time arrive after the fact and it is the duty of every individual to first protect themselves. This plays into the whole argument that the populous should be armed the same way the police are if they so choose, this is not the case however and what my point has been from the beginning. Domestic policing does not require weapons designed for foreign battlefields either.

99% of the time police are revenue generators for their state/county and scolded, reprimanded or fired for not generating enough revenue.

http://reason.com/reasontv/2013/07/24/how-quotas-pervert-police-priorities-fir



This is partly true, the different municipalities do have some variations between local law and policy related to that law. Cops are being outfitted with uniform gear across the board. This is a fact. I'd wager you have an AR-15 platform (whether select fire or semi-automatic) either in your trunk or within your police vehicle do you not?

Police forces across the nation are being outfitted with MRAP's and other military surplus.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/n...police/7337463/

Whether you've seen it or not yet does not make the practice of uniformly arming police any less the case.

http://www.cato.org/events/rise-warrior-cop-militarization-americas-police-forces

Police training has been geared at making every officer SRT capable and interchangeable. So they can conduct no-knock raids and other tasks deemed 'high-risk.'

https://www.rutherford.org/publications_...occupying_force

You probably wont agree with any of this but these implications and indictments should be concerning to even you.

So once again.. why do police need MRAP's and other military gear?

This is why I want cops to be able to defend themselves. I want them using any gear available to prevent them from being killed.

The issue is that you maniacs think the current reality in the United States is a V for Vendetta-like movie. You want cops to have the same exact gear as the citizenry? What the fuck is your premise even? That cops shouldn't exist? That we should abolish laws, and settle everything amongst ourselves with guns? You should really consider moving to Somolia.

This is another one of those Libertarian issues that sounds good on paper. "We don't like police brutality." - "Sometimes the law doesn't work as intended and is abused." - "Why is there an armored military vehicle in my neighborhood?" These are all valid and rational complaints, but once you guys start spewing out solutions your entire argument fills with holes.

What exactly would be your ideal condition, Gfist? I'm honestly curious to know.

So they can take your guns. It's all apart of the liberal conspiracy. Word is Harry Reids son has a contract with the military to make money off of the transactions. I was totally in the dark until I stopped trusting the main stream media and started learning the truth from Infowars and prisonplanet.

Most people are blind to the fact they are sheep of the Government but when the day comes we take our country back the willful ignorant will be lined up against the wall first.

Did you know they have found a crashed drone outside of the Bundy Ranch? It's all over facebook, check it out. The government is out to get you, buy guns and ammo today!

That's a lot to cover. I dunno what specifically you mean as far as 'conditions' but here's some ideas. Correct me if I'm way off.

Well to start I'd have all reports of police abuse or misconduct brought by a citizen be independently reviewed. No more 'internal investigation' or 'policing our own' nonsense. With penalties the same as they would be for a regular citizen. A badge does not grant extra rights.

Police are supposed to be 'public servants' the keyword being 'servant.' this whole idea is completely flipped on its head currently.
Do away with no knock raids. They create dangerous situations and the police should be In the business of keeping the peace not banging down your door unannounced in the middle of the night looking for plants.

End the war on drugs. You want to be a dip shit? go for it, just don't abuse the rights of other people in the process and we don't have a problem. Decriminalizing drugs will take care of a lot of societies problems. People are going to ingest what they want regardless of laws.

Do away with victimless crimes.

Allow citizens to carry and own (if they choose) whatever the police carry and own. This is the only way to avoid having a class of people (the police) above the law. The whole good enough for you but not good enough for me argument.

And Rok.. really? you got owned on this thread bro. Pack it up.

In order for me to have been "owned" you would have had to proven that local police are targeting Libertarians and stockpiling military gear for a future revolution.