Vermithrax]I don't think we disagree at all on this topic Hexen, based on what you just said. I agree wholeheartedly that to effect change, it's going to take a non-violent approach that general public can get behind. In order for major reform to take place, the driving fuel is going to have to be an idea simple enough that the general public can understand and get behind.
That's why it's comically ironic to me that Obs and Rok talk about fear mongering at all. Fear mongering is the major weapon in the arsenal the government uses to overreach. Convince Americans they are in danger so they give up their civil liberties with a smile and thank you.
Look at what Obs just said....He's okay with cops being geared up in military grade gear because "there's some crazy fucks out there".
As for Bundy....meh. He's an ignorant racist peace of shit. Fuck him.
Oh I imagine we disagree on quite a bit. I don't like to get political with the guild though since given half a chance I'm going to start sounding like Heinlein and freaking everyone out. Regarding any issue though, the most effective approach depends on your objective. If you want the civil liberties lost in the Gestalt cloud of post 9/11 collective insanity then violence is the only way. I think that's a lost cause in the current environment, and any recovery of those is a few hundred years out. If you want to stem the tide, in my opinion the prescription for America is to make politics a dry, dull affair unappealing to ordinary people and completely divorced from sexy social justice issues and current events garbage. I guess I have to reveal a little to explain why, but it boils down to the fact that I don't think everyone should be voting. The source of my conditional agreement with libertarians is the fact that they're idealistically prone to number-crunching and generally saying no to everything, unlike liberals and neocons, neither of which have ever met a law with insane and far reaching consequences they didn't love at first sight.
