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lol that is a good question. it feels like a question you would ask a supercomputer to fry its processing

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Not an insanity question for me. If you paid for the land, you should get to decide what goes/doesn't go on your land. Period. Just make sure you post it in bold print outside your establishment so I can be sure to boycott it. Not gonna get a dime from me.

For the bar thing... if you're dumb/irresponsible enough to carry in a bar while you're drinking, chances are you already don't give a shit what the law is on carrying in a bar. Probably the type of person who is going to jump into their car and attempt to drive home afterward too. I sincerely doubt the law is going change that type of person's decisions. I'd say let the bar owner and bouncers pack sawed off shotguns and let Darwin sort it out.

Don't let Rok the Master Troll get you all hyped up for nothing.

Read the text of the Assembly Bill here:

http://www.legis.ga.gov/Legislation/20132014/133881.pdf

See Pages 2 and 3, which state in relevant part:

"...provided, however, that private property owners
89 or persons in legal control of private property through a lease, rental agreement, licensing
90 agreement, contract, or any other agreement to control access to such private property shall
91 have the right to forbid exclude or eject a person who is in possession of a weapon or long
92 gun on their private property in accordance with paragraph (3) of subsection (b) of Code
93 Section 16-7-21, except as provided in Code Section 16-11-135"

All the new law did in relation to bars was simply make it so that you can no longer be charged for a crime for carrying a weapon in these places. The owner or person in legal control of the premises still has the absolute right to prevent you from entering their premises with a gun.

This is why the media is so good at swaying people's opinions. They get you all riled up by creating these false dilemmas and most people don't bother to actually go read the text of the laws and try to interpret their meaning.

Then that law is the same as many other states (including my own). "No gun" signs on buildings don't carry the force of law. A person can still enter while OCing or CCing. If you are asked to leave by the owner, you have to comply or can be charged with trespass. Some states, like Ohio, the signs do carry the force of law. Not having those signs or laws doesn't seem to increase the rate of crime so... moot point.

Like I said though, that's why if people are against carrying guns, just post the sign and I won't frequent the establishment. Doesn't have to get stupid.

I agree completely. And I also think your point above that was spot on, where you said:

"...if you're dumb/irresponsible enough to carry in a bar while you're drinking, chances are you already don't give a shit what the law is on carrying in a bar. Probably the type of person who is going to jump into their car and attempt to drive home afterward too. I sincerely doubt the law is going change that type of person's decisions."

Sort of goes back to what Rolo and I discussed. Any responsible armed citizen understands the ramifications of a bad decision in connection with carrying your weapon in public. Such a decision could end up with you dead or in prison for the rest of your life. People who care about those kinds of things would never take their gun to a fucking bar where they're going to drink, even if the owner allowed it.

Anti-gun people love to try and scare people by painting this terrifying picture of shootouts in the streets (as Anti said earlier in this thread) or bars (as Rok alluded to). The reality is, shootouts are already happening in the streets in this country. Take a trip to the high crime areas in Oakland, Chicago, Memphis, or any other major city in this country if you don't believe me. Or just do a YouTube search. The gun control laws don't effect criminals, idiots and mentally ill people because those people don't give a fuck about laws.

So if you favor a property owners right to ban guns on his premise, is that not a violation of the 2nd amendment as you see it?

Let's not derail the thread with an argument that is not relevant to the OP just because you're bored and aren't playing any games.

Yeah, let's not talk about the ultimate flaw in the Georgia law and discuss how I'm not really that good at DOTA.

You already answered the question though by agreeing with Deadly. You are for property rights and against the 2nd amendment in that case. All 3 of us agree on that actually.

I'm not concerned about it though because I'm sure this violates liquor license laws and insurance companies will never cover them.

If you're insistent upon discussing this, let's create a new thread. This thread is about second amendment rights as it applies to carrying guns in public places, not on private property.

And your dilemma is still false, there is no flaw. The two are not mutually exclusive. Even going back to English common law, which is where our legal system began, it's unthinkable to propose that a person does not have the right to control someone bringing a weapon on their own property.