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I declare this thread to be...awesome.

Good examples of people combating illegal government activities without the use of firearms:


New Jersey Assemblyman Ronald S. Dancer introduced a bill in March that would make the use of flashing high-beams at motorists legal under state law.

Proponents of the measure are citing a legal victory for the pro-high beam crowd in a federal court in Missouri from February, which was reaffirmed last week.

U.S. District Judge Henry E. Autrey had issued a preliminary injunction in February prohibiting the town of Ellisville from prosecuting drivers who allegedly flashed their vehicles’ head lights to warn of radar and speed traps. The city didn’t appeal the decision.

Last week, Judge Autrey expanded that decision to a permanent injunction.

The American Civil Liberties Union championed the case of Elli v. Ellisville. Last April, the ACLU of Missouri sued on behalf of Michael Elli, who was pulled over in 2012 by a police officer and issued a citation for flashing lights to warn of radar use ahead. Elli faced a $1,000 fine for flashing the lights.

“Expressive conduct is protected whenever a particular message is present and the likelihood is great that the message would be understood by those who viewed it,” said Tony Rothert, legal director of the ACLU of Missouri in a statement issued about the case. “Even new drivers understand that an oncoming car with flashing headlights means they should either slow down, turn on their headlights, or otherwise use caution.”

The Asbury Park Press reported on the New Jersey story on Tuesday and it interviewed attorneys familiar with the proposal. They seemed to agree on the constitutional point but were skeptical if a New Jersey motorist would mount a constitutional challenge to protest a $54 fine.

But it did bring up a case from the 1990s where a motorist went to court and won a verdict that threw out a fine for illegal headlight flashing. However, that court’s decision wasn’t binding or applicable to other cases.

And there have been other instances where head light flashers have won in court.

Last week, an Oregon man, Chris Hill, fought a $260 ticket for improperly using his head lights while driving a truck full of logs. Hill won his legal fight, and Hill acted as his own attorney in the proceeding.

“The citation was clearly given to punish the Defendant for that expression,” the judge said in the case. “The government certainly can and should enforce the traffic laws for the safety of all drivers on the road. However, the government cannot enforce the traffic laws, or any other laws, to punish drivers for their expressive conduct.”

In May 2012, Ryan Kintner from Lake Mary, Florida, successfully fought a citation for violating a state traffic law by using head lights as a warning signal. The judge said the flashing was protected under the First Amendment.

“I felt an injustice was being done. … I have nothing against officers … keeping speeding down, but when you cross a line and get into free speech, I feel it’s gone too far,” Kintner told the Orlando Sentinel during the lawsuit.

Back in New Jersey, the Newark Star-Ledger’s editorial board has endorsed Dancer’s measure, in opposition to the New Jersey Police Chiefs Association.

“At its core, this is a free speech issue,” the board said. “Police can’t prevent you from stopping at every gas station to sound the alarm about a speed radar, or starting your own blog about the locations of hidden cruisers. Look — it exists already on Twitter. They shouldn’t be able to prevent an altruistic citizen from flicking headlights, either.”

The importance of the free speech issue isn’t likely to go way, as people facing relatively small fines are willing to take their cases to court.

As we profiled last month, a Pennsylvania man spent thousands of dollars in legal costs to protest a $150 fine for evading questions asked to him by a game warden. He won a legal victory over his Fifth Amendment rights, which apparently conflicted with a Pennsylvania deer hunting statute.

Every one of those victories, vindicating First and Fifth Amendment rights was done (1) without violent resistance; (2) within the court system. And for those of you that consider yourself conservative -- remember a lot of these victories were achieved with the help of the ACLU. These are the guys that will spend tens of thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours fighting a traffic infraction to vindicate your constitutional rights.

And, in Arizona, Republicans just passed a law giving the government the authority to conduct surprise inspections of abortion providers and bypass warrant requirements. I assume the libertarians are outraged at this needless expansion of government authority...?

Yes.

Did you know that in Arizona, they dont celebrate MLK day at all? they replaced it with christopher columbus day.

Also, and this one is my personal favorite, your not allowed to have more than 6 un-related women living in the same house, because of anti-brothel laws from the 1800's. Made it hard for sororities to get housing at ASU. You wanna talk about a fucked up state.. there you go. Man the chicks were so fine though... better than Cali. there i said it.

But Sonya the ACLU is a branch of the liberal arm that targets religious groups much like the Gestapo targeted the Jews. The ACLU are ambulance chasers and the fact you support them means you are a sheep person.

Do you even History?

Yes. Unless i'm wrong to be upset at the degradation of our constitution if it's 'my team?'

Kolob? I missed that one in primary. Might need to rethink that one man.

Colorblind - good for him, he started a business.

Multiculturalist - good for him, he started a business instead of becoming a thug g in the ghetto.

Sounds racist to me... I think I'll stay colorblind instead of judging groups of people based on their skin color.

Wait, uh, are you still being facetious?

Finally watched the video so I could see what everyone is crying about.

"The Feds say the move is about enforcing the law protecting the endangered Desert Tortoise."

FUCKING LOL