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Shit just got awkward! haha
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It's OK Firaxis... 
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Gfist, Teriya, and Vermi it looks like you win this round! Salute
"In the absence of orders, find something and kill it." -Field Marshall Obs
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Obs and Sonya don't strike me as liberals. You both just live in a liberal part of the country.
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Blazzen]Obs and Sonya don't strike me as liberals. You both just live in a liberal part of the country. Other than parents influence, imo that's one of the strongest influence over your views.
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I take the Trey Parker and Matt Stone approach to my politics. I support things from both sides. I support both gun rights and gay rights.
Q: Are you two guys liberal or conservative? Me and my friends have had debates about this.
Parker: We avoid extremes but we hate liberals more than conservatives and we hate them [conservatives]. Stone: I hate conservatives but I really fucking hate liberals
Parker: What we're sick of—and it's getting even worse—is: you either like Michael Moore or you wanna fuckin' go overseas and shoot Iraqis. There can't be a middle ground. Basically, if you think Michael Moore's full of shit, then you are a super-Christian right-wing whatever. And we're both just pretty middle-ground guys. We find just as many things to rip on on the left as we do on the right. People on the far left and the far right are the same exact person to us.
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The liberal spectrum is vast and it houses many ideologies as do most affiliated parties. I would not confuse a religious right individual with a Reaganite republican. They share the same bed for political power but core principals and end goals are worlds apart.
Some people think a pro-gun liberal is an oxymoron. Hell, some think political and religious affiliation is hereditary. At the end of the day ignorance is to be celebrated and paranoid thought is to be nurtured.
To sum up the thread; Politics is a flat circle. Welcome to Carcosa, black star rising.
"The sun smiles on his leaves, and his photosynthesis is without flaw!"
-Abraham Lincoln
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If you're picking a side on this because the people around you and the people you grew up with have that position, you need to stick to sports.
If you're picking a side because it seems like the most sensible idea on the surface, you have the right idea but you only did the easy part.
If you're picking a side because you appreciate the advantages and disadvantages inherent in the position as it applies to the specific practices, traditions, and temperaments of the subjects you're trying to apply it to, I think you might have a case to make.
If you think there are no disadvantages to a particular position then you fall into the first category I described.
I have weird opinions about most things that I've bothered to think about for very long. When I look into them I eventually encounter the exact reasoning process taken by a certain side to reach the conclusion it did. Often times it's easy to spot certain logical leaps they made that they would not have made if they had been presented with different information at crucial moments in the reasoning process. And this isn't even factoring in the confirmation bias that governs most people's reasoning about a particular issue. I think it's the reason I often find intelligent people holding opinions based on almost childlike naivete backed up by a veritable arsenal of anecdotes. In gaming the old Dune phrase "fear is the mind killer" is a good slogan, but in this kind of stuff I find it's usually ego that does the most damage.
Opinions are demonstrably not equal. That is my drunken forum rant for the day.
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Hexen]If you're picking a side because you appreciate the advantages and disadvantages inherent in the position as it applies to the specific practices,... Isn't that the game of politics? lol
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