Lords of Death Forums Lords of Death Forums LoD General Discussion Concealed Carry Now Legal in California

This is my stance on the whole issue. Really not much more to debate, it's my opinion and the basis for it is based on experience. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, if people want to base their opinion off of what they see on Fox News that's their right. If they want to do the research like Rolo that's even better.



As soon as I see the gun I'm drawing down. It takes an average of 3 seconds when reacting to get your gun out. He who makes the first move is most likely going to get at least 2 shots off. If I see a gun and don't know you, I'm not going to risk taking 2 bullets because it's legal to open carry. I'd rather have my gun out to address the threat, and while nothing may come of that I think it would suck for the person that's open carrying. So I disagree that open carry is safer. I think either way, if someone has a gun on them, it's the person that makes the first move that gets the first shots off. Seeing as I don't get paid to mind read, I get paid to react...I would have a much shorter life span.

You sound like you are in a war zone. You need to carry a gun because you collect tax revenue for your state/city. You need to carry because you butt into things and often you turn them deadly because your the only one with a gun. You need a gun because we have guns.

Remember guys, he doesn't get paid to think, he gets paid to react. Hearing this from a LEO blows my mind. How many shootouts have you been in agian? This is all part of the CCW problem and law enforcement as a whole. Governments monopoly on force.

TDIL America is a third world country with rights.

Only a matter of time before these guys showed up.

exactly, I'm not pro-gun, but I'm pro equality. power is only power if it's in the hands of a few. I think everyone should be required to be educated in the safe usage and maintenance of guns much like k-12 education and then handed a coupon to get a free one when they register to vote. People need to stop living in a fantasy world where guns suddenly disappear because the law said so.

I say fuck it and let everyone keep a gun and track it as we do with vehicles. Are there going to be more accidental death associated with guns? yes, but it'll still be way less than deaths associated with cars. Are there gonna still be random psycho shooting up schools and malls? yes, but the victim of those shooting would have the knowledge and training to defend themselves with the even playing field unlike how it is now.

Again, not pro-gun, just a realist. Remember Trayvon, if he had a gun that situation would be totally different. They both would have pulled it out and slowly walked away from each other cuz they wouldn't wanna bet their lives on having a more accurate shot than the other guy.

What would you call DHS? What do you call BP checkpoints 100 miles from borders?

my opinion on the 2nd amendment and carry rights:
The 2nd amendment gives every american the RIGHT to bear arms. It does not say anything about where or when or what type you can carry. To me, this means that until proven otherwise everyone should be able to carry. So then why do law abiding citizens have to apply for all of these permits to carry? That should be the default. If you qualify to buy a gun, which means you went through a background check ( fellonies, domestic violence checks etc) then you should automatically qualify to carry. If you can't buy a gun then you have obviously done something that revoked your RIGHT to bear arms and therefore cannot carry. Instead of punishing law abiding citizens with fees and permits, tag the people that have lost that right with something, like a code indicator on their license or ID. Tag it in the police database so it is known by authorities that these people cannont carry and if they do they are commiting a felony.

In my opinion, the only time it is a good idea to open carry is if everyone open carries. Otheriwise a criminal will know who is and isnt armed. If you cenceal carry, then it is like rolling the dice when you want to attack someone. Does he have a gun or not? It is just like the fuckign jackass that posted the addresses of all of the gun owners on the internet. Now criminals know who to avoid or if they want a gun, they know just where they can potentially get one. It allows targeting of specific individuals, whether you have one or not you are a target depending on the goal of the criminal.
You can go about this debate in many ways but in every one of them, even in a perfect world without guns, you are ALWAYS giving the criminal element more power than you, the the law abiding citizen. Criminals will always use whatever is at their disposal to achieve their goal of robbery, murder etc, so why take away the one tool that puts you on almost the same footing as the criminal emement. Notice I said almost, the criminal will always have an advantage, they will look for ways to achieve a first strike in essence, so even if you are armed you are almost always on the defense and have to react to a situation, which could result in critical time lost to protect yourself or others. The only thing that eliminates this to an extent are stand your ground states which gives you the right to shoot without prejuduce anyone that invades your home (castle, which includes your home, your car, a tent in the woods etc, or someone in the ACT of committing a felony. In a world without guns, what would you defend yourself with? a crowbar, bat or machette? I think a gun is a better option, it removes a lot of risk on your part in the event that you are engaged by another individual that is trying to achieve harm to your persons. I would much rather have someone shoot me or shoot at me than to get beat in the head with a bat or stabbed or hacked to death with a fucking sword. All evidence that I have seen, suggests that states with strong pro gun laws have much less crime than states that all but eliminate the right to carry.

Carry more guns to the supermarket morons! This will definitely help the state of things.

Quote from Aliens vs. Predators.... "It's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it."

I carry everywhere I am legally allowed to carry in the state(s), that I reside in. You never know what is going to happen, or if the one time you don't carry, i.e. the super market could result in you being robbed and or murdered by some asshole in the parking lot.

If someone is going to take on the responisbility of trying to remove my property or life from me, or try to achieve bodily injury, with whatever, it does not matter, then they automatically assume the responsibility of the reprecussions, regardless of what they are. I do not feel sorry for anything that happens to ANYONE that tries to take property or life from anyone else. It does not matter what it is or what the circumstances were. If you are going to commit a crime, you should realize that you are increasing your own risk of bodily harm or death and either accept that and commit the crime or not.

I'm trying so hard to bite my tongue here and you have to go and say a thing like that.