Lords of Death Forums Lords of Death Forums LoD General Discussion Concealed Carry Now Legal in California

I think grenades and Mk-19's should be legal and unregistered. If somebody wants to pay 150k USD for an automatic grenade launcher that weighs 150lbs i dont think we need to worry about them doing anything illegal. Unless we have a spat of insane millionaires.

Free market would fix everything and we would have a more polite society with less governemt intrusion and restriction.

Sonya you are on a fucking roll this week.

In my younger days in AZ i had all the toys... ak-47, colt m4, some shotguns for bird hunting, and a nice kimber pistol. They were fun to use on the range. Now im like whatever... seen too many people affected by them by accidents and negligence.

The fact is there's too many insane, stupid, uneducated, backwoods(sorry khan), bigot, negligent, assholes in the US with them. i know the old argument of "people that get concealed carry weapons, are the good guys" but history has shown otherwise. 26 mass shootings in the last decade have been by concealed carry users. We just have too many fucking guns out there with people that are too scared and weak to really handle the power of them.

This.

I'm no fan of gun control, but I have little faith in the general American public to play nice and not be fucking whack jobs.

A guy in my office just sent out a memo, arguing that our office should start challenging the law that prohibits convicted felons from possessing firearms.

Remember that when you argue for this stuff, it can always come back to bite you in the ass. The language in that 9th Circuit case is actually great for arguing that you cannot have a blanket prohibition from felons possessing firearms.

Yikes.

I guess to put it a different way, i would trust Roby to have a firearm but not really Lugdug.

Now this I actually agree with. I am strongly pro-gun but believe it or not, I'm not wild on the stand your ground laws. California doesn't specifically have a stand your ground law in statutory law but rather has a weird form of it in the jury instructions for self defense.

The reason I am against it is for exactly what you just said. Most stand your ground laws simply require that you "reasonably believe" you are in imminent danger of death or severe bodily harm. This sounds okay on it's face but the problem is that without video and audio of the entire incident or reliable eyewitnesses, determining whether someone "reasonably believed" their life was in imminent danger is really fucking hard, especially since the people who ultimately make this decision are a jury made up of those same people you mention above.

What ends up happening is that case in Florida kid. Dunn avoided the murder charge because the jury felt he was reasonably justified in being afraid but is going to prison for attempted murder for continuing to fire at the retreating vehicle.

Now you ask me, that guy is exactly the kind of person you're talking about. If I had a concealed weapon and pulled up at a gas station and saw 4 young guys who seemed "dangerous", I wouldn't say a fucking word. If they said something to me, I would simply ignore them. If and ONLY if they initiated a physical confrontation would I even consider a weapon. But I also carry pepper spray and as a person who believes in the value of human life, I'd use that before I'd pull a gun. It incapacitates someone just as quick as a gun and it's non lethal with no lasting bodily injury. For me, a gun would be a last resort. Unfortunately, I agree with both you and Sonya that I don't trust the average idiots I come into contact with to follow the same guidelines.

Judges love the word "reasonable". It means whatever the fuck they want it to mean.

I carry every day. I have never had cause to so much as reveal that I have a gun on me(even though this is an open carry state so I could wear it on my hip). I have been in many altercations where I could draw and fire then get away with it, but I never even thought about it because logically I was not in fear for my life in any of those instances.

I see too many people preemptively use their carry weapon and claim they were fearing great bodily harm when there were many other ways out of the scenario.

Biggest problem is you just have to prove a "resonable" person would feel that way in that situation, but I do not feel that those of us who carry guns should be measured by what a "resonable" person would do. We should be more cacluated in our actions than your average joe because we can end a life in an instance.

I guess I am just saying we should be held to a higher standard in order to retain our carry permits.

So many statists my eyes are bleeding!

That would depend on where you think California is taking the step...If by increased crime and danger on the streets then we're definitely taking a step.



Short answer, wow.

Long answer:
Watch some videos around the internet, read some unbiased articles. I noticed you posted Fox News, lol? Go on a ride along to see what life on the streets is actually like. How in the world would people carrying concealed weapons positively affect society in other way other than pure and total chaos? It's hilarious to read people posting and

For a background check, even if it was local and NCIC, those doesn't pick up everything. People with records aren't the people we should be concerned about either. It's the average joe, with no record, that has a temper and little to no training with a deadly weapon. How many times have you seen a normal person lose their cool and get out of control? I see thousands a year, imagine what life would be like with them legally carrying a firearm.

The training, a 2 day class? I shouldn't have to go into this subject at all. Don't tell me going into the gun range constitutes any sort of training, I'm talking scenarios and experience...not to mention the ability to keep a cool head under pressure and frustration while wielding a deadly weapon.



I'm definitely open for debate on this one, I understand your opinions that you should be entitled to carry around a hidden object that can instantly kill someone because you want to play god. I, however, don't like that idea.