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Problem: Climate changes because of pollution.

Reaction: HOLY SHIT WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE HOW MUCH MONEY TILL WE LIVE!

Solution: Pay 50% more for 'cleaner' products and we can reduce pollution 10%

classic illuminati move.

while im all for the fucking all out removal of fossil fuels that will help our environment and help our economy at the same time. Climate change is the y2k of y2k?

The debate IS OVER. There is no split between man made and natural warming. There is a split between legitimate science and pseudoscience. All of the morons quote pseudoscience, which is easy to distinguish as bullshit.

There is no debate. You think there is a debate because you're a lemming who once again proves that you rely on network TV to keep updated with the world. So you only get the highly politicized version of everything.

You didn't even read my link you fucking asshole. How disrespectful is that shit. To then come back and counter argue when I posted the legitimate science in 1 easy to read PDF with size 22 font footnotes.

I said don't even reply unless you read the copenhagen diagnostic. What do you do? You fucking reply talking about some bullshit Barrack Obama "Copenhagen deal".

Get a clue morons! This conversation is over. I won't even bother replying to connetic and his illuminati post, now he's just trying to troll me :P

The conversation is not over Rain. If you are having heating up of other planets at the same time the earth is warming up, that means there is another cause than humans doing it. Do you think the worlds climate has been stable for the last 2 million years? No it has not. Its constantly changing, due to sun cycles, the tilt of our planet and volcanic activity just to name a few. Could humans me a partial cause, sure, I guess they could but Co2 is not as much of a green house gas compared to water vapor.

My point is, we dont know enough about this planet, we have groups of people, including governments who are in it for one thing and one thing only, MONEY. Dont tell me you dont have scientists who will fudge their work to get that next big grant because we both know there are.

The world is constantly changing, heat up and cooling down, that is why we have ice ages and warm spells. We came out of an ice age just 13,000 years ago, who says we are not sit warming up from that ice age? Lets not discount those bigger natural causes before we attempt to tax people over BS that is basically out of our control.

Cut below

Once considered incredible, the notion that climate can change rapidly is becoming respectable. In a 2003 report, Robert Gagosian cites "rapidly advancing evidence [from, e.g., tree rings and ice cores] that Earth's climate has shifted abruptly and dramatically in the past." For example, as the world warmed at the end of the last ice age about 13,000 years ago, melting ice sheets appear to have triggered a sudden halt in the Conveyor, throwing the world back into a 1,300 year period of ice-age-like conditions called the "Younger Dryas."

Human activities result in emissions of four long-lived GHGs:
CO2, methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O) and halocarbons (a group
of gases containing fluorine, chlorine or bromine). Atmospheric
concentrations of GHGs increase when emissions are larger than
removal processes.
Global atmospheric concentrations of CO2, CH4 and N2O
have increased markedly as a result of human activities
since 1750 and now far exceed pre-industrial values determined
from ice cores spanning many thousands of years. The atmospheric concentrations of CO2 and CH4
in 2005 exceed by far the natural range over the last 650,000
years. Global increases in CO2 concentrations are due primarily to fossil fuel use, with land-use change providing
another significant but smaller contribution. It is very likely
that the observed increase in CH4 concentration is predominantly due to agriculture and fossil fuel use. The increase in N2O concentration is primarily due to agriculture.

The global atmospheric concentration of CO2 increased from a
pre-industrial value of about 280ppm to 379ppm in 2005. The annual
CO2 concentration growth rate was larger during the last 10
years (1995-2005 average: 1.9ppm per year) than it has been since the beginning of continuous direct atmospheric measurements (1960-2005 average: 1.4ppm per year), although there is year-toyear variability in growth rates. {WGI 2.3, 7.3, SPM; WGIII 1.3}
The global atmospheric concentration of CH4 has increased from
a pre-industrial value of about 715ppb to 1732ppb in the early 1990s, and was 1774ppb in 2005. Growth rates have declined since the
early 1990s, consistent with total emissions (sum of anthropogenic
and natural sources) being nearly constant during this period. {WGI
2.3, 7.4, SPM}
The global atmospheric N2O concentration increased from a
pre-industrial value of about 270ppb to 319ppb in 2005. {WGI 2.3,
7.4, SPM}
Many halocarbons (including hydrofluorocarbons) have increased
from a near-zero pre-industrial background concentration,
primarily due to human activities. {WGI 2.3, SPM; SROC SPM}
There is very high confidence that the global average net
effect of human activities since 1750 has been one of warming,
with a radiative forcing of +1.6 [+0.6 to +2.4] W/m2



If you read what I just put above, it states that we have an understanding in the trends going back 650,000 years. Why are you talking about tilt, volcanics, etc... like scientists never thought of that shit, but EE on the internet cracked the code?

Read the fucking paper!! The info posted above was from a report that the copenhagen diagnosis cited. If you just fucking read it you wouldn't sound so fucking retarded.



My point is we do.



There are probably lots of scientists who fudge their work for money. However, global warming is accepted by thousands of independent scientists. Every major nation's scientists have performed their own studies and come to the same conclusion. When was the last time that every single country in the world agreed on anything? Well all of their scientists do, are you going to tell me that this is the biggest conspiracy of all time?

READ THE REPORT

In your case Keith Olbermann or Bill Maher? Its a cop out to peg people as ideologues because you disagree with them.

Exactly my point.

You defended yourself because you didn't want to be pegged as an evening news, tv dinner squatter.

The labels go both ways.

I never said it did change science, but showed there may be some skewing of it, it was perspective. Politics has bled into the sciences.

I still disagree with the fear mongering aspect of climate change, as an imminent threat to mankind. It is a political instrument in my opinion.

Rain,

Here is my take on the entire debate.

My original post (regarding the hacked emails) was just an example of where I think science is drifting; into the political arena. It was intended to spark debate more so about the political side or how politics can slant science. The links I presented were just showing that scientists are not infallible, they may skew data to get certain results.

Politics is just a broader form of the sciences. We cannot possibly be professionals in all avenues of society so we try to rationalize them through others findings.

For any of us to try an extrapolate what scientists have been working on their entire lives (Climate Change), or act like they are in the know, is a disservice to science. Not to mention the numerous sciences involved in trying to quantify the data. Unless of course you are a scientist in one of these fields? Our trust lies in the scientific community and their findings. The findings are still theory; some scientists think we are heading into a cooling stage, while others think we are heading into a heating phase. So us posting tidbits of information to support it one way or the other, or inferring that we understand all of it is unrealistic. I have been guilty of this.

We are the only planet (that we know of) that has an eco system. To say we do not contribute to our weather would be a disingenuous assertion. The very gasses we release from consumption by all measurable standards ?pollutes?. To say that earth does not go through a cyclical cooling/warming phase is disingenuous.

You defined science that you do not agree with as pseudoscience, which would end any debate. I did not have to read your article to be enlightened. I will and could post 15 findings supporting my inclination of ?climate change?, except I would not expect you to carve through the boring drivel. Our minds are made up. It will take a smoking gun, to change my mind.

I am not a scientists, nor do I speak scientiese. I have merely come to the conclusion that Climate Change is a fear mongering tool being used by politicians (much like the war on terror) to further a political agenda.

It is horse's-shit that I have to say this, because of assumptions that will arise on my disagreement with imminent manmade climate change. I own an electric mower, downsized to an economical vehicle (hyndai) and by all measures am a steward of the land, a conservationist.

That is all

No. You were perpetuating false information. It doesn't matter what you were intending. Don't try to make excuses, instead apologize for (at best) unintentionally spreading lies.



No it's not. Politics is personal opinion. Science is reproducible facts. Apologize to everyone for lieing or you're just going to be labeled a liar from now on. Doesn't matter if the lies are intentional or not.



What the fuck do you even think the scientific method is? To say that we can't get a grip on how scientists come to their conclusions is the dumbest thing I've ever fucking heard. Maybe you and the handful of other people can't, but I am smarter than that. All it takes is actually trying to lazy fucks.

Do you know what the fuck this is?




The whole purpose of their work is to make it completely reproducible and open to the public\layman. The math can be checked out by anyone.


Now you're just being a dishonest lieing motherfucker. Did I not post previously that EVERY MOTHER FUCKING COUNTRY IN THE WORLD TESTED THE THEORY USING THE METHOD ABOVE AND FOUND IT TO BE FACT!! Now you are telling me that what I posted is just a "tid-bit".

You motherfucker are dishonest, and I have no trust or sympathy for the dishonest. Posting a reply like you are pretending to be a neutral debater. I wasn't born yesterday.



No you dishonest pos. Pseudoscience is any science that isn't using the scientific method as described above.



Science is not a religion or a culture. It is a method for discovering facts. That's why educated people use the word ignorant. You failed to learn the basic methodology for discovering basic facts. So nothing you have learned in your life can be verified as true because you don't know how to do so. So anything that comes out of your mouth is air not worth listening to by anyone who wants to hear an intelligent fact based discussion.




I've come to a similar conclusion that most climate change is fear mongering as well. However, I'm an idiot who actually did the research to support my belief. The global warming crisis has nothing to do with your stupid ass getting hot in the summer. It has to do with survival of our species on this planet multiple generations down the road. Thanks for nothing Mr. Electric Lawn Mower.

You want to know how you can really help. Start passing the word to your friends to stop having children. Our world is populating at an uncontrollable rate with extremely limited resources. When you're watching the news in 40 years and see the wars in 3rd world countries over fresh water you can laugh at the impending global warming doom like I do, but you still have absolutely no clue on any real facts and thus you are not helping anyone. Piss off wankers!

Science didn't build this country. It built civilization.

You can go back to Hippocrates 400 years BCE. Credited as the first person to argue that disease was not given to people from spirits or gods, but rather from diets and habits.

If we were arguing in 400BC, Flea would be trying to tell us that "We're set in our beliefs, and he's set in his. Hippocrates can't prove disease isn't caused from daemons".

Evolution is a very slow process. I swear certain peoples brains are stuck between talking monkey and human being phases.