Lords of Death Forums Lords of Death Forums LoD General Discussion Quick go get your flu shot!

your faith in the government is way to strong. About 3 months ago we were sitting in the doctors office for my son. the lady next to us was talking and brought up that her son had autism, was just fine before, but was diagnosed a week after the 2... maybe 3 year vaccines i cant remember which. Either way she can't prove there is a direct connection between the two, but me and the wife enjoyed the fact that the waver we would have to sign or the 2 year vaccinations relieved the doctors and company that produced the shot of any responsibility of side effects, including autism.

either way it comes down to trust and i just dont trust the government, no one should, hell you guys boot people out the guild for lesser lies :P

besides, all theses vaccines that are out, over half have cures. but why promote the cures? the money's in the vaccine right?

Your seeing connections where there are none 1 out of 10,000 children presenting with autism after they've received a flu shot doesn't mean the flu shot is the reason for the disability.

your right, but, it is not required by law to do post testing after a vaccine has been deemed lawful. such as the h1n1 vaccine, the testing for this lasted only 21 days before it was bought and put out, since then they have come up with numerous side effects that, tho some documented, do not legally have to be made public

plus don't forget there are no long term testing done or completed on any vaccine. I think its a pretty good idea to shield your kids from stuff like this until we have a more safe method going on.

@rainman: i went ahead and looked up the mercury allowed by the fda for seafood and water. turns out the concentrated mercury in the h1n1 virus kicks the fda's regulation in the nuts.

but hey being around car exhaust is the same as huffing it straight from the exhaust pipe,

Sorry to further espouse my elementary thought process. I am no scientist.

The reason I researched the subject was to educate myself, somehow you spin that as ignorance.



The reason I highlighted this text was to support my argument; which was that if the science was concrete why use precaution?

My argument was not; whether or not current children vaccinations contain thimerosal, but that autism was correlated to it.



Yes, pregnant women and children under 1 year cannot eat certain types of fish, nor should they consume more than 6 ounces of tuna (most common) per week.
www.cfsan.fda.gov




Two points;

(1)The link you provided; table 3 shows 13 different shots all containing mercury as a preservative licensed in the US.

(2)The H1N1 contains the mercury preservative.

My wife watches Oprah. Oprah originally said no to shots containing mercury preservatives and Oprah supports Obama. Therefor Oprah cannot be wrong. Oprah = Science.

Stop the bullshit Flea. You didn't study this shit. You think you did but you didn't. I hate writing all this but my pc bluescreens if I try to play darkfall...

Why don't you tell me roughly the amount of mercury that has to be absorbed to cause cognitive damage? You don't know because you didn't REALLY study the subject. Don't bullshit me.

Because if you read that you would have read the study with a sampling of 500,000 children vaccinated with thimerosal...

or the study with 119,000 children...

or another with 19,000 children...

However, reading those studies wouldn't have done jack shit, because what you and your equally uneducated friend above failed to miss is SCIENCE CLASS.

Let me give you a 1 paragraph 101. In 8th grade science class they taught you about a substance called Salt. We eat it all the time, yet it is composed of two seperate substances that are completely poisonous and explosive.
The toxic nature of a substance we consume is based on how the atoms are arranged in that substance, NOT WHAT ATOMS ARE IN THAT SUBSTANCE.

Maybe since you like correlations so much we can try a word game.

Methyl alcohol - Poison\Die
Ethyl alcohol - Get drunk\Get Laid

Methyl mercury - Poison\Die (absorbed by fish in our waters)
Ethyl mercury - Used in vacines. NOT MEYTHYL MERCURY!! Get Laid...

Anyway, school ends here. Now back to your regularly programmed wack jobs. If you want to learn more on the subject you can just google the shit out of it instead of replying. I'm not being paid to educate you noobs.

I did not study this on the level you might be assuming; I took no 200 level college courses in science. Study referred to educated myself on this enough to make an overprotective dad decision.

Are you a scientist or in academia as a wannabee?

Your salt analogy was actually a good one, good perspective, but your word game was gay.

Otherwise what you said did make sense. I will concede on that point.

again just because its labeled less toxic doesn't mean its not.

ethyl mercury is less toxic, but not non-toxic

Did this in about 3 minutes of searching, although I have already saw a brief snippet from attorney general stating the vaccines no longer contain mercury.:

The H1N1 vaccine that will be released will come in three forms:

?The single-dose inactivated (killed) injected vaccine (the one that is already in a single-use syringe) will NOT contain thimerosal.
?The inactivated injected vaccine that comes in a multi-dose vial WILL contain thimerosal.
?The live attenuated (weakened) vaccine that will be administered intranasally (inhaled) will NOT contain thimerosal.

So two out of three don't even contain trace amounts of it, and one can be taken through a respitory aparatus.

I would get my daughter the vaccine if they had it available, can't take the respitory one due to continual respitory problems. You talk about pre-cautions flea, where is your pre-caution against swine flue? Child gets swine flue and dies, very scientifically probable, or child takes a vaccine and possibly gets autism, not scientifcally proven.

And GJ to the wife whose son got autism in thirty minutes, and we thought the only ones that could turn blatantly retarded in such a short period were here already.

Seriously Coneitic? All kids are required to get vaccines, you going to keep your child out of school because you won't get a vaccine? wow you mean a child got autism, and had vaccine shots? weird. you know, i read in the news most people that die in car accidents had their vaccines. correlation? or coincidence.

they should do a correlation with parents with borderline retarded IQ tests and children with autism.

you can opt them out for 'religious' reasons. I wont argue that vaccines cause autism, no evidence i said that alot. just a few coincidences.

if you have a kid and dont mind vaccines thats fine, some of us chose not to. if we go by rainman's sources only 316 people died due to non vaccinations in the past 3 years. which im sure that study didn't go so far as to see what medical attention was sought after the diagnosis if there was one.

either way its a matter of how you feel on the subject, by all means if you dont think its a big deal have your kid get the shots. or was this some quick cut down to boost your self esteem like so many do here. by the way did your quick research of the mercury contained in the h1n1 vaccine is 24.5 mcg, the fda regulates 24 mcg per liter? its whatever tho everyone does there own thing. My child nor fleas will suffer consequences from this choice, and who knows it may benefit seeing as how no vaccines have long term studies or legally have to make public post market testing.

@stretch, i got to say after reading that i think you, bob, faust etc fall into that category. i'll discuss my opinions on stuff, where as you guys seem to get that sense of superiority, hell half your post are along the lines of "im smarter than you i wont even answer"

oh, and mal, the swine flu is diagnosed and treated EXACTLY the same as seasonal flu, infact since 1976 the h1n1 was included in the regular season flu vaccine, guess some lab geek forgot to put it in this year huh?