lol but this is the thing.. your basing the "best mmo" on your opinion.. clearly it should be based on subs I mean so what if I liked SB better than WoW.. the game design was different maybe more fun for me.. but trying to deny WoW is the best MMO ever is really absurd...

How can you argue with its success? I'm not arguing personal tastes here.. I'm arguing success.. its clearly a better game based on that so what if I don't like it and so what if you or LoD doesn't like it.

If SB and DF were better games they would have had more subs plain and simple.

edit: try to remember this whole thread started with Obs trying to say the guy gave WoW an 8/10.. it didn't start with me saying WoW is the ultimate pvp game, it's just simply better for more people clearly a better game over-all because of that.

Think how badass SB would have been if they actually had 9 mil subs? DF is the same thing if they actually had full servers it would probably be fun for more people. SB and DF could neither fill and keep servers full.. how can we say they are the best games?

The only PVP game you could throw in here and it could hold its weight based on subs is UO and I wouldn't even argue that because it was clearly the best at the time.

Last edited by Tyrantor; 07/23/09 04:12 PM.

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