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That may be low for Republicans but that is only because people expect Republicans to march in lockstep.




this goes for any political affiliation...watching Harry Ried sprout blood vessels across his entire face is funny when democrats vote on the right side of the aisle...


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I haven't heard them be called "the big tent party" since the sixties, and the republicans were the big tent party of the nineties. I seem to recall the democrats being gung-ho keeping the darkies down. I know here in Texas, the democrats passed a whole bunch of voting laws keeping blacks outta the polls.

Gotta be able to read and COMPREHEND the Constitution. The genius of it was if they answered the questions "incorrectly" they couldn't vote. So you would have to give a mini-book report, so to speak, and if the pollster didn't like your answer, you didn't vote. Fascinating stuff, since you could pretty much control who voted. That's your party's history, really. Come a long way, though, since the Civil War and grand wizards being elected senators. Keep those you don't want from speaking through outlandish measures and calling them "uncivilized" or "moronic" if they disagree with you publicly.

Came a long way, getting Obama elected, but your playbook is still the same when you strip it down I see.

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Holy fuck...You don't know about the Jim Crow laws? Honestly?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws#Origins_of_Jim_Crow

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During the Reconstruction period of 1865?1877 in the defeated South (the Confederacy), federal law protected the civil rights of "freedmen" ? the liberated African slaves. In the 1870s, white Democrats gradually returned to power in southern states, sometimes as a result of elections in which paramilitary groups intimidated opponents, attacking blacks or preventing them from voting. Gubernatorial elections were close and disputed in Louisiana for years, with extreme violence unleashed during the campaign. In 1877 a national compromise to gain southern support in the presidential election resulted in the last of the federal troops being withdrawn from the South. White Democrats had taken back power in every Southern state.[3] The white, Democratic Party Redeemer government that followed the troop withdrawal legislated Jim Crow laws segregating black people from the state's white population.

Blacks were still elected to local offices in the 1880s, but the establishment Democrats were passing laws to make voter registration and elections more restrictive, with the result that participation by most blacks and many poor whites began to decrease. Starting with Mississippi in 1890, through 1910 the former Confederate states passed new constitutions or amendments that effectively disfranchised most blacks and tens of thousands of poor whites through a combination of poll taxes, literacy and comprehension tests, and residency and record-keeping requirements. Grandfather clauses temporarily permitted some illiterate whites to vote. Voter turnout dropped drastically through the South as a result of such measures.

Denied the ability to vote, blacks and poor whites could not serve on juries or in local office. They could not influence the state legislatures, and, predictably, their interests were overlooked. While public schools had been established by Reconstruction legislatures, those for black children were consistently underfunded, even within the strained finances of the South. The decreasing price of cotton kept the agricultural economy at a low.

In some cases Progressive measures to reduce election fraud acted against black and poor white voters who were illiterate. While the separation of African Americans from the general population was becoming legalized and formalized in the Progressive Era (1890s?1920s), it was also becoming customary. Even in cases in which Jim Crow laws did not expressly forbid black people to participate, for instance, in sports or recreation or church services, the laws shaped a segregated culture.[2]




I wasn't around in the sixties, but I paid a lot of money for a piece of sheepskin that represents some book-learnin' done. Maybe it's some guilt from that Jim Crow and KKK stuff that caused your party to change its image and that brought about the Civil Rights stuff. Good luck getting people to believe that Lincoln was a democrat as well.

Oh...did you mean, like, in the past ten years or so? Of course that's not going to happen, jeez. This is the 21st century, we're civilized now. We have illegals to pick on.

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Civil Rights escapades happened around fifty years ago (fifties-sixties)... So by your own admission, that's no longer relevant and we can all be big boys and girls in a land where race no longer matters, I'm assuming.

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after five years of being knee-deep in obscure and complicated methods of researching politics and why people vote the way they do? Hell, no, I'm not very serious about it anymore. It's pretty much a hobby on par with model trains these days.

And I tried to hop onL4D last night, but couldn't get an open slot on the server, if that was you playing

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I already know about the Democratic party and its history (which you dismiss entirely, for some reason, as irrelevant. Can't go forward without knowing where you've been and all that) as well as what it is today, despite what you seem to think. What matters is the clash along other lines, or ideologies (socialism-capitalism, liberal-moderate, moderate-conservative, etc), anyway, than any Red vs Blue debacle.

But, then again, I was always a huge proponent of Huntington http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_P._Huntington. Clashes amongst those lines always made more sense to me here in the 21st century.

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Sure, I'll talk about it. Doesn't bother me in the slightest to talk about it, as some of it is rather hilarious. Would you rather discuss Democrat gerrymandering to include Hispanic voters (especially with high numbers of illegals so their little kiddies can vote Democrat when they grow up) or Republican gerrymandering to include rich white folks? I like the one time when the GOP gerrymandered a stretch that was two circles connected by a twenty mile strip of freeway. I think. I forget where, but that was what happened in a general sense. I want to say Vermont...

But...just to be clear...the Republicans haven't supported any recent poll taxes. You know why? 24th Amendment outlawed 'em.

Or if you really want to get into it, the 19th century is considered part of "modern" history. Gotta divvy it up into decades, y'know, for specifics.

http://www.listicles.com/2009/01/20-ridiculously-gerrymandered-congressional-districts/

Check that out for some weird-ass shit. Looks to be some pot-calling-the-kettle-black going on.

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That's my fault, really, I've been slightly brainwashed by academia and that's just how I go about categorizing things (by using the "global" mindset"). It does lead to confusion more often than not.

Gerrymandering and filibustering are two of my favorite topics to talk about, though. Once, here in Texas, the governor had to order the Texas Rangers (Chuck stayed home to keep the populace in check) to go get the judiciary to come back and vote on something. They had fled to Arizona on tax payer cash, haha. I want to say they were pissy about some gerrymandering...

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