Lords of Death Forums Lords of Death Forums LoD General Discussion UAW refusal to rework contract kills bailout...

Let's be realistic now. It can't be all managements fault. Just because they signed the contract doesn't mean they necessarily liked it. If they were forced to sign it do to the workers all going into a strike and plants and production all shutting down. What can they do? Let the company collapse. I'm sympathetic to all the workers but I know their business model is fucked from top to bottom.

you come up with this shit just to inflame people!

Im confused. Arent we agreeing that its both of their faults and that their not running a good business? I dont think we should give money to a business that has soo many flaws and have made soo many mistakes. Dont you agree?

Yet you want to throw billions at a model that won't work. These companies must face bankruptcy and either survive or fail on their own merits. The US taxpayer should never be involved in any bailout of private industry.

If we give them money they will be back inside a year asking for billions more.

Once again your facts are complete horseshit. I stated "US Sales correct?

Tell me how they get to 7 million when the figures through November are only two million?

2,000,000+ only!

Try linking real data instead of whatever suits your agenda. Guess my friend knows a bit more then your legendary internet search education.

uh? Your stupid

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28214869/

Not much difference in pay


For all the divisions between the two camps, there isn't much difference in their pay. The GM workers average about $28 an hour, though new workers receive far less. The Nissan workers make about $25 an hour, the company said.

"The overall compensation for a worker is not that different whether it's a foreign or domestic automaker in the U.S. ? they're all in the same ballpark," said Kristin Dziczek, assistant director of research at the Center for Automotive Research at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor. "They have to be. Good wages and benefits avoid unionization."

92 civic hatchback. 33mpg under 20bucks to fill her up right now with supreme. do i win?

I hate Unions

You know, I am all for sticking to your principles. The big 3 have been making crappy cars for years and it caught up with them. They deserve to go bankrupt.

However, compare the 14 billion in question to the HUNDREDS of billions that went into the financial institutions who not only produced bad products but did that on a much larger scale. Why didn't we take a stand then? Making a big deal out of the 14 billion when we are sinking hundreds of billions into who knows what in the financial system and continuing to do so is distracting us from the real problems and their origin.

I agree 100%. Same reason I was against the financial bailout.

If you can't pay it back, don't spend or borrow it.

BTW..its not your right to own a home. Not everyone in there lifetime will or even should and its definately not the Governments job to help you own one or bail you out of one you can't afford but bought despite the obvious.