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Gettelfinger blamed the defeat of the auto industry bailout bill in Congress on southern Senators who he said are anti-union and anti-Detroit.
The Senate demanded concessions by end of year 2009 but the UAW refused. Stating they had a contract through 2011.
Basically the UAW wants to keep raping the Auto industry but this time on the taxpayers dime. The arrogance and fantasy world this UAW President lives in boggles my mind. Funny how he blames the failure on Anti-Union southerners, when this guy is clearly Anti-American.
This industry needs to fall into Bankruptcy protection so the courts can force the concessions on the unions and we can be done with them.
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We could see it coming too. Same shit up here, they won't do anything to protect their own asses. So short sighted.
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So Ford sells their shit (mazda etc) and turtles with Toyota til this shit is over. GM gets split up and sold off, and Chrysler the same.
Depression incoming!
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But the defenders are not right to suggest, as many have, that Detroit has solved its wage problem. General Motors, Ford and Chrysler workers make significantly more than their counterparts at Toyota, Honda and Nissan plants in this country. Last year?s concessions by the United Automobile Workers, which mostly apply to new workers, will not change that anytime soon.
And yet the main problem facing Detroit, overwhelmingly, is not the pay gap. That?s unfortunate because fixing the pay gap would be fairly straightforward.
The real problem is that many people don?t want to buy the cars that Detroit makes. Fixing this problem won?t be nearly so easy
Cars they don't wish to buy? Then why is Toyota not going broke? I know a USA Toyota exec. They are selling less cars then in 1982 when they were far from the #1 seller in the US.
I am anti-bailout. These companies should be forced into bankruptcy. This bankruptcy = liquidation BS the UAW is spouting is complete crap.
Bottom line...the UAW is the major problem.
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Using a program like TARP to bailout any industry is a mistake. This country will never survive with fundamental thinking like this. If you support this your a bigger idiot then I thought.
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i dont know if i am for or against the bailout. i guess id probably be more against it because it seems like the union has really rooked the country demanding more and more. its an ungodly amount of money to just give a company because of their poor judgement and poor sales and poor merchandise. they had a product that was not as reliable as the japanese, yet tried to push it out for a higher price to make up for their high costs in labor. i personally have only owned american cars (ford), and wouldnt ever buy a honda. but when i think about what kind of car i would want for a teenager...and save on gas...a honda comes too mind more than anything. but thats just me 
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I agree. If you fail you shouldn't get a hand out. If I start a company that makes razor blade dildos and they don't sell, I should get a bailout...and yes GM = razor blade dildo imo
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The car industry is fucked with that union. They would rather lose their jobs than receive less money. From top to bottom their way too arrogrant. Private jets to not willing to bend. I think giving them a loan would be not a loan but giving them money. Their model will make them fold, giving them money will just delay the inevitable. On our dime.
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There's no way these un-educated workers should be making this type of money. An engineer or manager sure, but people who can barely read and don't work that hard? What a joke.
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You mean Republicans killed the bailout. But I thought you are anti-bailout so why wouldn't you tout Republicans? A: Because you hate organized workers too much.
BTW, that last thread you dismissed when I said the $73/hr was a lie? Confirmed: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/10/business/economy/10leonhardt.html
Seventy-three dollars an hour.
That figure ? repeated on television and in newspapers as the average pay of a Big Three autoworker ? has become a big symbol in the fight over what should happen to Detroit. To critics, it is a neat encapsulation of everything that?s wrong with bloated car companies and their entitled workers.
To the Big Three?s defenders, meanwhile, the number has become proof positive that autoworkers are being unfairly blamed for Detroit?s decline. ?We?ve heard this garbage about 73 bucks an hour,? Senator Bob Casey, a Pennsylvania Democrat, said last week. ?It?s a total lie. I think some people have perpetrated that deliberately, in a calculated way, to mislead the American people about what we?re doing here.?
So what is the reality behind the number? Detroit?s defenders are right that the number is basically wrong. Big Three workers aren?t making anything close to $73 an hour (which would translate to about $150,000 a year).
But the defenders are not right to suggest, as many have, that Detroit has solved its wage problem. General Motors, Ford and Chrysler workers make significantly more than their counterparts at Toyota, Honda and Nissan plants in this country. Last year?s concessions by the United Automobile Workers, which mostly apply to new workers, will not change that anytime soon.
And yet the main problem facing Detroit, overwhelmingly, is not the pay gap. That?s unfortunate because fixing the pay gap would be fairly straightforward.
The real problem is that many people don?t want to buy the cars that Detroit makes. Fixing this problem won?t be nearly so easy.
the reality is that the $70 figure is based on overall costs per employee. Both past and present. These are figures that the unions negotiated and management accepted.
I made a post regarding this topic previously. it is simply the three headed monster
1) shitty management and executives
2) shitty product and unwillingness to adapt (Ford is getting better at this however, they are at least trying to morph)
3) shitty pig headed unions and shitty union wage contracts
i do find it just hilarious that the UAW is playing a dangerous game of chicken though. Dont think for a minute that these companies wont throw themselves into bankruptcy. Having a job at 70% of your previous wage is better than no job at this point.
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