The only reason I am running with the presidents is because the 10 or so left are are the hardcore guys that are good, and work well together, that and they PK constantly. We just subbed some guild named M2k not sure how many we will field now, but if you want expansion mines on thurin you need at least 3 groups to compete. (and before subbing M2S we uaually fielded up to 1.5 groups..) If you guys want in with The Presidents I am sure I could help get you in, at least until you figure out what you want to do.