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Im referring to the nightstick beating. btw the tasers on him wasn't very effective yet the nightsticks were 8D

But Stretch is.

What is your utopian solution?

Phasers set to stun

more deadly than any handgun!!!

You guys are blowing this out of proportion and letting your hate for Stretch get in the way that he is right.
Tasers are great for law enforcement, but their current implementation is misused, unconstitutional, and studies are coming forward showing that they are VERY dangerous. A lot of people are dieing and a lot of talk about VERY big lawsuits going against the taser companies for intentionally lying about their scientific studies with the safety of tasers. People are dieing and it is getting noticed.
I started looking into this when Stretch started posted about this months ago. I laughed at first, like this:
http://break.com/index/tazer-challenge-failure.html
However, as I researched it more it appears these companies could be in some big shit. This is becoming less and less uncommon:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/tasers/video.html
Law Enforcement does often misuse tasers. They are told they can use them on anybody who is hostile. Sorry, but that is not constitutional. I've been tasered willfully. My friends have been tasered by accident. Nobody died, but the threat is out there. So better control needs to be taken when it is used.[/quote]
Regarding the taser incident with the polish immigrant to Canada. If you have ever watched the footage, although he was exhibiting strange/hostile like behavior before the arrival of the officers, when the police got there he seemed like he was calming down. His tone of voice when he saw the police was a cry for help. ( I am fluent in polish and thus can tell when someone sounds angry confused sad etc.) Anyways. This case is a CLEAR case of police pulling the trigger without truly trying to talk him down, or finding him the appropriate translator. You repeatedly hear the Canadian identify him as a Russian even though he is polish.Although he is Polish, Polish citizens of this mans age were forced to learn and speak russian in school when poland was still a part of the Eastern Block. Therefore if they had even bothered to get a russian translator on the scene this man prob would not have died. end.

Almost all departments have policy in place where they bring a tased person to the hospital to be examined prior to being booked in jail.
Almost ALL people who are tased get medical attention... just not any treatment - they don't need it.
Every once in a while a taser is misused, but it's rare. The taser should be used when it would also be reasonable to place empty hands on a person (to control them). If someone is refusing to exit their car, the officer has two options - grab them and pull them out or tase them. (Also, pepper spray could be used but that shit is more annoying than anything.)
The bottom line is, if you do what you are told you won't get tased. If you feel you are being "wronged", arguing on the side of the road will NEVER work... and ultimately will make your case weaker in court.
As far as the "deaths", I ask for a case where "excited delirium" wasn't the cause of death...
Find me a case where a normal citizen, not on drugs, died from the taser alone. Again, I say : if some asshole is using meth, I don't care if he dies.
-G

If somebody is hurting the poor children, who cares about what is in a law meant to protect them.

Beyond fuckhead excuse makers who would probaly just a cop raping someone as long as he heard it was cool from Fox News, Is that Police ARE using these without properly exploring other options. Ever hear of the "Use of Force Continuum"? It's a model police officers are supposed to use to diffuse a situation. Here is a partial model:
Verbal command
Handcuff suspect
Use wrist/arm lock
Use takedown
Block/punch/kick
Strike suspect
Wrestle suspect
Pepper spray
Use baton
Use firearm
Now, As you can see Tasering is left off this list, But it would probably go inbetween Pepper Spray and Use Baton, Possibly even before Pepper Spray (Although I think Mace is a lot safer then passing an Electrical current through someone)
This Issue is, As many an internet video has shown, Is that a lot of police officers are going from Verbal Command to Taser. It's not ok to just go around tasing people who don't sit and beg when a cop snaps their fingers.

Federal ban on lawn darts
1988 federal ban on lawn darts.
Does a few deaths from lawn darts justify a federal ban?
We give weapons "cars" to 16, 17 and 18 year olds that go out misuse and kill people more regularly, more frequently and are far more dangerous to your average pedestrian, with far less training. Ya 12% of the driving population causing over 25% of the accidents. I wouldn't be worried about a taser in the hands of law enforcement officers. Intent is not the issue, both are tools used for intentions other than to cause death, consequently they both can have deadly results.
Now I wouldn't argue with a few of those Youtube videos being excessive force and a prudent police chief should recognize that, failure too creates a lack of public confidence.
WIki the continuum of force as your background is probably not in criminal justice. Do you think the level at which an officer pulls a taser to be at a higher level of force? Or do you think tasers are "deadly force" and/or should replace the gun, mace, or an established type of force - or they should not exist on law enforcement belts? Or should officers nationwide undergo sensitivity training for their nationwide misuse of tasers?
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