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Alright the answer is, I do not feel torture is something any civilized human being would support, regardless of the situation. If we truely want to bring change to the middle east we need to lead by example.
Happy?

Happy for you that you were able to to transcend your stubbornness for a moment and finally added something worthwhile to the thread, yes. Even though I still think if it was your family you would change your mind. At this point you really can't relent and save face, so you have to stick to your hard line.

I'll be sure and not change my mind when my family is kidnapped and Jack Bauer wants to waterboard the suspect into providing their locations!
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