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Ail #234704 09/21/06 01:00 AM
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OT, but has any one read the book "Natural Cures" ?? The fucking FDA, pharmaceutical and food companys are all killing us slowly.

Kevin Trudeau is a quack snake oil salesman. Google around...its sad really.

Wow.. I found out some interesting things. Non of which had anything to do with him being an OIL salesman. BUT you seem to be right. He is a snake.

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Ail #234706 09/21/06 01:49 AM
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The energy that a hybrid car uses comes from thin air. True story.
Unless gas prices go to $4 or $5, I won't be changing my driving habits. With crude declining to $61, we've already seen some of the pressure on prices lighten up.
In all seriousness, I enjoy having the option to purchase a variety of cars that utilize different energy sources. Spreading out the consumption of resources is a good thing, but people should be allowed to make that choice.

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If 1/2 the US went to a hybrid car it wouldnt even touch the amount of pollution being put out by predominantly coal burning China does in a fucking year.

Exactly, if you want to stop Global warming it takes a global
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Car's running on gas is very old technology if rich american lobbist's were not making so much money gas companies, we would already have an alternative fuel. Gas companies don't reseach anther fuel source because its not profitable to the gas company. Gas is terrible for the environment and by using it we are giving money to rich americans and terrorists.
It's already been proven many years ago cars can run off of vegitiable oil. We need to produce our own clean burning fuel source in america even if its ethenol, some type of veg oil or whatever.

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if rich american lobbist's were not making so much money gas companies, we would already have an alternative fuel.

I'm not even sure I know what you're trying to say.
If the auto industry thinks an investment in developing a specific type of automobile is worthwhile, they're going to do it. Regardless of who is lobbying for what. There is a viable niche market for alternative vehicles. And not surprisingly, some manufactures cater to that market! Ford and GM aren't going to start mass-producing alternatively fueled cars, because there simply isn't a large enough market for them yet.
To the disappointment of many conspiracy theorists the car guys and the oil guys don't get together and say, "hey, you keep making cars that use refined gasoline, and we'll keep refining it."

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I don't think it's a conspircay theory but if the people that control politicans are making money why would they change anything? Gas should be phased out because of the enviromental effects and by making an alternative fuel in the US would help our own economy.

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Im a big fan of Hydrogen power personally. The problem is the actual producing of the hydrogen. On a dollar basis the same amount of gasoline is much cheaper than the electricity used to make its equivalent in hydrogen.
The US could produce the equivalent amount of energy to the fuel we use by putting up wind turbines. The cost would be about 20 billion dollars initially to put up approx 8000 Turbines (at about 2.5 million each). The turbines have an easy lifespan of 30 years.
The US burns about 47.5 billion dollars in oil a year (130 million dollars worth per day) with 25% of that number being burned up on the roads. That equals about 20 million barrels per day (730 million per year) with only 5 million barrels per day (325 million dollars worth) used for transportation.
The Turbines have a easy lifespan of 30 years and would create enough electricity to produce enough hydrogen for our transportation needs.
Implementation would be a fucking nightmare, but it could be done.
At our current rate of consumption the US will burn about 22 billion barrels of oil in a 30 year period (1.43 trillion dollars worth).
Each turbine would produce the same energy equivalent to 2.2 million barrels of oil in that same 30 year period. which at 65 dollars per barrel would be 143 million dollars worth. Without the pollution.

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but if the people that control politicans are making money why would they change anything?

First of all, buying a politician to vote a certain way is illegal and is a conspiracy. It's called influence-peddling; do a google search on Bob Ney. Second, even if a company has illegal control over a politician's vote, if they don't provide consumers with what they want, they're going to lose market share.
You can't force a company to make a certain product in America. That's basically communism. However, like I keep saying, if people want alternative cars, manufactures will make them (it's gradually happening already). We speak with our checkbooks; companies that don't listen fail.

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