Lords of Death Forums Lords of Death Forums LoD General Discussion the truth about social security and deficits

it has been said that GWB has ruined social security and we arent goign to be able to pay the seniors in years to come. the truth is, that if the governement no matter who is in charge, doesn't change social security we wont be able to pay for the baby boomers by 2041 because more people will be eligable then ever before. Now before you dispute that GWB hasn't ruined social security, lets look at the facts
social security trust fund data
fact: the trust fund has not paid out more than it has collected, and it has increased on average more than any other year / president.
now lets talk about the deficit.
everyone says GWB blew a 5.2 trillion dollar surplus. How much was the surplus you say? 5.2 trillion dollars if you listen to the DNC ads.
FACT: they are wrong. the surplus was never more than 236.4 billion dollars.
FACT: we are in a war, regardless how we got there the congress passed the legislature and the supplement, dont like it start another thread.
FACT the country was attacked, we lost jobs and gross revenues.
FACT here is the report for yoursef
US Budget data 1963 - present
Im just tire of all the spin. oh by the way, lets look at the percentager of deficit compared to the GNP. its less than it was in 1943. fo rthose who don't understand, the percentage of the Gross National Product is a determining factor on the countries ability to repay the debt. the fact that the debt isn't a larger percentage than previous debts means we have a better capability to pay it back than we have had in previous years. All the info is there.
PLEASE read the info before making uneducated comments.

When your hair caught fire?

Ya its a scare tactic, like the voter intimidation falsity (I believe its completely untrue in 2000), the draft, flu shot scare, privatizing social security, CBS and Dan Blathering idiots lies about the presidents record, deficits apparently are more important then how the economy is currently running. These are all tactics the democrats use to scare with. These scare tactics have been proven to work in past elections, why not try it as a ditch effort before the election.
Im just hoping Nov 2nd will come sooner.....

terrorists isn't a scare tactic. Both sides use it, and they do work why else would they use it?

I never mentioned terrorism.
Ya, both sides use scare tactics. Is that the only one you could come up with regarding the GOP ? Honestly, who flings more mud? The Dems are in this election. Thats not a partisan comment, its a truthful one.
What point are you getting at again? Are you reconfirming my argument? Is that sarcasm? sorry I couldnt see your facial expressions.

NT

http://www.georgewbush.com/Agenda/Chapter.aspx?ID=1
um i dont see anything there about touchhing social security, can you point me to a link where he says hes goignto cu the deficit by taking it out of social security?

This is what Gore was getting at when he was talking about stretch. You are so into the Republican mode that you can't look at it from the other side.
If you were smart you could back up your data. Because actually by USA today Bush has done more negative ads than Kerry. But yes they do do negative ads because they have been found to be 3 times more effective. [url]http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicsele...analysis_x.htm/[url]
I never said that you mentioned terrorism. I was using that as a point that both sides use scare tactics.
The point I am getting at is that don't act like this is one sided. Both sides do the exact same damn thing. You act all righteous and can't admit that your candidate is full of as much shit as mine.
I can admit my candidate has faults, but he is still more aligned with my beliefs than bush. Can you admit yours has faults?

there is a big difference from making someone feel concerned about their well being, and outright LYING. i think these advertisers and committees should be held liable for LIES. listening to an ad that says Bush has destroyes teh 5.2 trillion dollar surplus is a LIE. listening to adds that say that bush has spent ANY social security trust money is a LIE.

I think Sinbad is Sean Hannity IRL