Lords of Death Forums Lords of Death Forums LoD General Discussion Bush has my vote for 2 reasons

Takes me about 20 mins. And IF I have a real REAL problem it can be months for a doctor IE hip replacement, can't lie. But its free once done. They even fly people to the US pay the money there and fly em back.
Also no garbage takeout fees.
Phone , Cable , Hydro , Car and Rent .

What??? Man... you really need to think about that.

I think Arioch's post is talking about the unchecked Rx drug costs. Here it's rediculous, canadian Rx is cheaper, why? Because there are set ceilings (for older drugs).
But in the long run $1,100 a year is nothing espcially if you are in the 35%+ bracket, so I don't see the reason for belly aching. I give 10% of my earnings to Alzheimer Research as a charitable contribution, IF this were passed I'd have the tax increase affect the amount I donate (either way my money is helping)

Yes, obviously I want to kill all people born blind (we need an eye rolling smiley here).
This is not a socialist country. We don't buy into the whole class warfare bullshit. Everyone has an opportunity to be filthy rich in this country. It's a matter of how smart you work for it. Those who work smart, get the best stuff, the best healthcare for their kids, the best cars, etc.
Call it social darwinism if you like. This is the way we make progress, by excelling not by being fucking leeches off our successful neighbors. That brings everyone down.
You want to talk about social responsibility? Fine. My responsibility is only to those who are unable to help themselves. I don't mind helping them at all. But I do mind my money going to those who are too lazy or too stupid to help themselves.

Where did the fathers of the USA state , look after yourself or fall in a hole. It was life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That did not include having to pay or die/suffer under phar companys.

Now that you've stated your views in such a clear manner, I have to say that I agree with you. We may deviate on some items.
I agree that Lazy (chronic welfare slugs who find it easier not to work) are a burden on everyone. I agree whole heartedly about the opportunity to excel and create wealth. You and I know that is not an easy, simple ride. Rather it is a lot of sweat equity to achieve a great lifestyle. I personally work 7 days a week, 16+ hrs a day. I, like yourself benefit from the tax breaks, but still pay a good chunk of change regardless at the end of the year.
I feel the same anger you do, when you work that hard, and see a percentage siphoned off for people who have no intention of contributing to anything.
Where we deviate is on some of the safety nets for those who cannot avoid a hole in the system.
ie: A person works 10 hrs a day, 7 days a week earning minimum wage. They have to work for 3 different companies (cheaper to have part time labor, so you can avoid healthcare expenses). That person needs, say $500 to $1000 . month for some for of healthcare. They can't afford it, if they eat & pay rent etc....
In that situation, the person is a contributor, not a slug, but unable to maintain themself healthwise. The HMO's & PPO's can't be blamed, they are businesses. You can't legislate them to accept people who will cost them profit.
That is the tough spot. There should be some form of assistance for that person, over the slug who is a leech.
Frankly, you, me and everyone has paid over $1500 in our tax contributions to Iraq this year alone. I would have preferred that to goto domestic needs over building water plants, hiring cops, pipelines, and mars bars for Iraqis.

I agree with you mostly. In my state WA, My brother makes minimum wage and lives with me. He recieves medical benefits working 40 hour weeks through state help. I honestly think its the middle class that gets the shit end of the stick here. I am sure its different from state to state.
When it comes to handicaps or problems of any sort. I think the middle class once again will suffer. Low income families in Wa will be covered almost completely in any case including Leukemia, cancer, diabetes, ect.. Prescription drugs are covered under state insurance where its free or there is a copay of 5$, or 12$ per bottle per prescription depending on income. The plans here are great for illegals and low income folk. You dont need a social security number to get welfare or medical benefits here either. I know it covers most dental as well. Not sure of the specifics of it.
The health coverage also doesnt discriminate against contraceptives, yet we have poor folk popping out children because they will receive more money from the Great welfare program that our state provides. <img src="/~stretch/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Concraceptives are completely free according to what bracket your state health plan falls under.
I know there are discount cards as well if you fall under a certain minority status and income.
But once again if your middle class and your child or you have some sort of major problem, you are screwed.
The number 1# reason socialized medicine will not workin the US is this. You will not give an incentive for people to pursue that field if the government cant maintain the cost of doctors and nurses. We already have a nation wide shortage of nurses as it is. Yet the pay scale of a nurse with an Associates degree LPN is 16-20 per hour whereas a RN with an Associates is 17-25 per hour. (My ex is a RN nurse in the OR) When you socialize medical coverage prepare to pay the doctors and nurses that provide the assistance. I just think socializing medical coverage would ultimately destroy scientific research and funding, cause a catostrophic surge in taxes and the overall health of people. It would also create a bigger problem concerning CNA work, nursing homes ect..
What we should do is create a market, allow competition in this field, give stimulus's for small business, and (Edited)help make corporations provide health coverage for there workers.
Force McDonalds, Walmart, and major chains to provide health coverage taking huge amounts of moneys off the government concerning minimum wage jobs.
hehe I could be wrong its just my opinion.

Your wrong.
I will sell my business or shut it the fuck down before anyone forces me to provide health coverage.
I provide my employees health coverage but I do so because it attracts the type of employee i want to hire.
Health coverage is not a right, its something you earn and PAY for.
Kerry is a fag with his socialized health care BS.
Bush > John "Hillary" Kerry

Retracting what I said hehe:
Well I dont mean force small business's to provide such a thing, but major corporations should be held more responsible to give there workers medical coverage. I myself want to open a business (Small pizza shop) and would like to have my workers covered on medical, if the government had some good cheap packages worth spending a little extra money on. I am sure it would encourage small business's to do so. I am definately not for government forcing this upon any business, that edges on socialism. They just need some type of stimulus where a business owner would be happy to pay a little extra to provide health coverage for there workers.

Of course it is, to a lesser degree. The government exists now, amoung other things, to promote the welfare of some at the expense of others. We tried the whole no government intervention free market thing... it failed in 1929.