That is funny. Xians gave me all of that ? I think that they also have killed more people in the name of God in the last 1000 years then any other group. They made sure the Dark Ages lasted far to long. They killed 1000's of Muslims during the crusades that led to a deep resentment and mistrust of XIans which still stays with them today. Great God of peace eh... hummmm...
Shit , your great Xian country had Slaves ... lets look at that.
In American Holocaust (1992), David Stannard estimates that some 30 to 60 million Africans died being enslaved. He claims a 50% mortality rate among new slaves while being gathered and stored in Africa, a 10% mortality among the survivors while crossing the ocean, and another 50% mortality rate in the first "seasoning" phase of slave labor. Overall, he estimates a 75-80% mortality rate in transit. But I mean who cares , 1 million 60 million , Slaves where a good deal right. God musta love human slaves.
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SO before you bash Christians maybe you should thank them for being tolerant enough that you can live here
I am sure the tolerant slave masters were loved. But that was well 100 years ago.
Now that as a country with Xians and Non-Xians you banned that, and moved on its great. But all I am saying is Xians did not create nor make peace, or freedom. You state
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The basic ideal in which we live does however harken back to God and Judeo/Christian beliefs and that is our rights are not given to us by government but by our creator.
Well I guess thats how you feel, but as an Athiest I say bull crap, all that religion has done is given a bse to create socieies and no base has been perfect.
How many natives did Xian Euro priests and Explorers kil. Esp when they went in to Convert them. Damm Heathens, they were living wrong but with diseases, and booze and the God fearing and headstrong word of Love you went on and stole land for yourselves annd churhces. Force native kids into schools and forced them to learn the Bible. Created havoc all the way to ... shoot the 1970's ! Wow that is way back then.
** From website ** I can't confidently estimate the number of unnatural deaths (i.e. indictable killings, as a result of violence and oppression, both direct [war, murder, execution] and indirect [famine, avoidable disease]) among Amerindians across the centuries, but as a guess, I'd say 20 million, for no reasons other than it's half of the original 40M, and it seems to be near the median of the 4 previous estimates. (Rummel, Barrett, Althea, Stannard).
Well I took Canadian history and I know in our country which ahs the same background of faith , 100,000's died in this manner.
Euro History ?
History shows that 1,000,000 Saxons and Scandinavians lost their lives opposing the introduction of Christianity. Also 1000's lost their lives during the witch hunts.
More tolerance in small American Towns ?
What about the Spanish Inquisition during the years of 1478-1834. Convert or die. Humms sounds VERY much like what the Muslims demand now.
No sir, do not talk about how great your God is and how nice Xians have been. They have killed more then ANY ANY group ever in human history as a group or Religious Faith.
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If that is forcing religion down your throat you should live on the Middle East for a week and see what the other reality is.


Well maybe in about 500 years, after seeing that the ways they preach now and the wars they create are bad they too can develop good fair laws. Live in s just society, or the best that Man can create.
But just because for the last 100 years Xians in Europe and North America [ shit last 50 years ] have been nice and tolerant dont tell me they have never forced shit down people throats.
Heck George Bush has been pushing his views and religion on the US puiblic. IE about abortion and such.

Now what Torak mention to me earlier bugs me, that Muslims want their laws brought into Canada, that is just as bad. I want NO religion to tell me what to do.

Danke

They did make laws based on the Xian faith, but one cannot use that as the sole reason for its developments.
Lets look at your great religion of peace even further since you claim that Fundie Muslims kill most people ... [ last 30 years for sure ,but before that ] ..


"Whats bred in the bone, cannot be bred out" - Robertson Davies