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Thanks, you as well.
One more fact check for ya that just came out today and then maybe we can move on to issues? The "What you don't know about John Kerry" article mentioned the following falsehood.
"Sen. John McCain revealed that his North Vietnamese captors had used reports of Kerry-led protests to taunt him and his fellow prisoners. "
McCain just came out and said this isn't true. It is probably a bit too late considering it has appeared in over 550 Newspapers :-(.
Here's what McCain stated in an exchange with host George Stephanopoulos on the September 5 edition of This Week:
STEPHANOPOULOS: Cal Thomas, a columnist, just a few weeks ago, brought up a quote you had in 1973 where you said that Senator John Kerry's 1971 testimony was the most effective propaganda North Vietnamese captors had to use against us.
McCAIN: But, you know, I went back and looked at that article in, that was in 1973, when I first came home. There's no mention of John Kerry. I don't recall ever hearing John Kerry's name while I was in prison. Now, other of my POW friends did. I don't recall it.
STEPHANOPOULOS: So you don't want that used in this campaign?
McCAIN: Of course not, of course not. Look, I was fighting for the right of the people of South Vietnam to disagree with their government peacefully. So I didn't agree with the antiwar activities. But that's a right that American citizens have, to disagree with the policies of our government. It's a fundamental principle of democracy.
Link to the whole story is here. http://mediamatters.org/items/200409070005
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So on the subject of issues, what is the most important issue besides character to you that will effect your vote?
Economy, Defense, Foreign Policy, environment, choice, religion?

So on the subject of issues, what is the most important issue besides character to you that will effect your vote?
Economy, Defense, Foreign Policy, environment, choice, religion?
** wELL i mARRIED AN aMERICANO LAST wEEK ! ** She can vote and we discussed I should not have a say in her vote. But IF I voted , and course I can't I would thou choose :
Economy #1 , Make sure the Enviroment is taken care of and that FP would not cause any other international dust-ups. inda hard for the US as the worlds police/bully .
In regards to relgion , hats tuff since I am an Athiest I say NO MAN IN OFFICE should place ANY vaules on the people. Others would say different. So long as the Man in charge does not place his vaules or relgion on me I would be fine. But if he did, it would be one big FUCK RIGHT OFF MAN !

He acknowledged that other POW's claimed Kerry's testimony was used against them. That is good enough for me.

You must be one fo the children left behind. Public education and lack of use on the edit button:) By the way Christians wrote the Bill of rights on purpose. SO before you bash Christians maybe you should thank them for being tolerant enough that you can live here without praying to Mecca, having to attend church, having a Morality police or any of the other things that we do not have to live with in this country. The basic ideal in which we live does however harken back to God and Judeo/Christian beliefs and that is our rights are not given to us by government but by our creator. It is that fundamental belief that has created and defended your and my rights. If that is forcing religion down your throat you should live on the Middle East for a week and see what the other reality is.
Rahl

McCAIN: But, you know, I went back and looked at that article in, that was in 1973, when I first came home. There's no mention of John Kerry. I don't recall ever hearing John Kerry's name while I was in prison. Now, other of my POW friends did. I don't recall it.
Did you not read it? I saw the interwiew on Sunday and heard what he said. The recall portion was about him having heard Kerry's name directly. If any POW heard it over there it is good enough for me. Kerry sensationalized the Winter Soldier stuff to launch his political career. Made for good drama in the Senate and good poilitics in Mass.

Not to vote for Kerry. Isn't it obvious. You are pissed I declined the trades aren't ya. It is okay maybe we can work something out later in the Season. BUSH 04!
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That is funny. Xians gave me all of that ? I think that they also have killed more people in the name of God in the last 1000 years then any other group. They made sure the Dark Ages lasted far to long. They killed 1000's of Muslims during the crusades that led to a deep resentment and mistrust of XIans which still stays with them today. Great God of peace eh... hummmm...
Shit , your great Xian country had Slaves ... lets look at that.
In American Holocaust (1992), David Stannard estimates that some 30 to 60 million Africans died being enslaved. He claims a 50% mortality rate among new slaves while being gathered and stored in Africa, a 10% mortality among the survivors while crossing the ocean, and another 50% mortality rate in the first "seasoning" phase of slave labor. Overall, he estimates a 75-80% mortality rate in transit. But I mean who cares , 1 million 60 million , Slaves where a good deal right. God musta love human slaves. I am sure the tolerant slave masters were loved. But that was well 100 years ago.
Now that as a country with Xians and Non-Xians you banned that, and moved on its great. But all I am saying is Xians did not create nor make peace, or freedom. You state Well I guess thats how you feel, but as an Athiest I say bull crap, all that religion has done is given a bse to create socieies and no base has been perfect.
How many natives did Xian Euro priests and Explorers kil. Esp when they went in to Convert them. Damm Heathens, they were living wrong but with diseases, and booze and the God fearing and headstrong word of Love you went on and stole land for yourselves annd churhces. Force native kids into schools and forced them to learn the Bible. Created havoc all the way to ... shoot the 1970's ! Wow that is way back then.
** From website ** I can't confidently estimate the number of unnatural deaths (i.e. indictable killings, as a result of violence and oppression, both direct [war, murder, execution] and indirect [famine, avoidable disease]) among Amerindians across the centuries, but as a guess, I'd say 20 million, for no reasons other than it's half of the original 40M, and it seems to be near the median of the 4 previous estimates. (Rummel, Barrett, Althea, Stannard).
Well I took Canadian history and I know in our country which ahs the same background of faith , 100,000's died in this manner.
Euro History ?
History shows that 1,000,000 Saxons and Scandinavians lost their lives opposing the introduction of Christianity. Also 1000's lost their lives during the witch hunts.
More tolerance in small American Towns ?
What about the Spanish Inquisition during the years of 1478-1834. Convert or die. Humms sounds VERY much like what the Muslims demand now.
No sir, do not talk about how great your God is and how nice Xians have been. They have killed more then ANY ANY group ever in human history as a group or Religious Faith.


Well maybe in about 500 years, after seeing that the ways they preach now and the wars they create are bad they too can develop good fair laws. Live in s just society, or the best that Man can create.
But just because for the last 100 years Xians in Europe and North America [ shit last 50 years ] have been nice and tolerant dont tell me they have never forced shit down people throats.
Heck George Bush has been pushing his views and religion on the US puiblic. IE about abortion and such.

Now what Torak mention to me earlier bugs me, that Muslims want their laws brought into Canada, that is just as bad. I want NO religion to tell me what to do.

Danke

They did make laws based on the Xian faith, but one cannot use that as the sole reason for its developments.
Lets look at your great religion of peace even further since you claim that Fundie Muslims kill most people ... [ last 30 years for sure ,but before that ] ..

You're post is hard to read due to typoes and "slurring". It's just not like your usual post, it's kinda drunk chaotic.
Anyway, congrats on getting Married. Now get your ass in the States and help with the Canadian subterfusion. I am due for rotation out back to "Hockey & good-beer-land" and need a replacement.

Even though he would be better for the economy and long term interests of the US, he'll lose.
The man is unable to make a stand on anything for more than 10 minutes.
If he was willing to make a stand and stick to it, he'ld have won hands down.
He should have:
1) Said, and maintained that everyone was lied to in order to invade Iraq, and everyone was fooled including him.
2) Pointed out the claims "pre-war" and the "post-war" items like 15,000 tons of Vx which rumsfield pointed to exactly where they are on the map, and called the guys bluff.
3) Made issue of Enron - Kenneth Lay and W's patsy patsy buddy buddy, let me stop that investigation issue.
4) Made issue of the California Blackouts due to criminal manipulation of the power system, and it's subsequent blocking of investigation by the whitehouse (major player Enron...see #3).
5) Made issue of the awarding non-compete contracts to Hallburton (against Govt regs, re: GST) that carried gargantuan profits, and the ties to Cheney.
6) Deficit, deficit, deficit, deficit, deficit, deficit, deficit,deficit, deficit, deficit,deficit, deficit, deficit,deficit, deficit, deficit,deficit, deficit, deficit.
7) Running 4 years of deficit (see #6) under the premise that it's a post dot-com hangover, while other countries are posting up to 7 yrs of profit (other countries are erasing their deficits).
8) Osama is not in Iraq.
And other such things...he would be way ahead. But the fucking guys can't keep an opinion for more than an hour.
I can't stand what Bush is doing to the US, or to the world, but at least he can keep a thought in his head for 2 days (as long as there are no big words in it). He may have been born with a silver foot in his mouth, but he can at least be consistant.
Kerry is pissing me off, he's a bowl of jello. He's still the lesser of 2 evils, but he'll lose. The man needed to stand by his guns for more than 37 minutes.

I hate HATE Bush , but he is probably going to win. Darnit. But look on the brite side, I can WANK for another 4 + years.