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And since the First World Trade center bombing that concern me. No decent explanation for those.

than Articles citing facts. That is why

isn't there an "no making 4+ posts in a row" rule? please lump them together!

Dude,
You said the following:
"Before the flames begin show me what has been proven to be false about any of these articles."
I have proved factual errors in many of these articles. Doesn't that make you concerned about the accuracy of all of the content?
Let's take a real life example. Let's say you are reading a report at work that shows uptime for the servers that you are in charge of. While reviewing it you notice that the percent uptime calculation ignores the 1 hour each night that we shutdown the servers for maintenance. There is no mention in the report that this time has been removed from the downtime calculation and no operating procedure that says it should be ignored. What do you do?
a) Ignore this fact and assume that whoever wrote the report knows what they are doing and it is OK?
b) Investigate the methodolgy that the report author used to to make sure that it will provide accurate reliable results?
c) Review some other sources of information that may provide comparable data so that you can evaluate the reports accuracy?
I assume you would choose B or C or some combination of B or C. Anyone that I am going to hire would.
I thought the purpose of this exercise was to determine if your articles were accurate. Clearly there are some factual errors in them, and I have shown them to you. You can choose to ignore them, or you can do some more investigation and make an educated decision.
If you have already done your research of other sources that is fine. If not then you are the one spewing propoganda not me.

You mean the votes that are described here by the non-partisain annenberg foundation?
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docid=209

Flea. The swift boat vets are conning you man!
The Swift Boat Vets changed that page you sent me the link to. Check this shit out. There is some sketchy shit going on.
Kerry says Schacte wasn't on the boat and the old version of the webpage didn't say anything about Schacte being on the boat. Then they changed the page to say that Schacte is on the boat. If you go to the link they actually have a mirror of the Swiftboat site so you can see the old version if you want.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200409030012
Swift Boat Vets edited its website to conceal contradiction MMFA spotted
Three days after Media Matters for America first reported that the website of anti-Kerry group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth contradicted the account of the group's star witness -- retired Rear Admiral William L. Schachte Jr., who claims he was the commander on the December 2, 1968, mission for which the U.S. Navy awarded Senator John Kerry his first Purple Heart -- Swift Boat Veterans for Truth altered its website's account of the incident to make it consistent with Schachte's version of events. According to Schachte, Kerry did not deserve the award because the "skimmer" he supposedly commanded that night did not receive enemy fire, and Kerry's wound was the result of Kerry's own improper use of an M-79 grenade launcher.
The original version of the account on the Swift Boat Vets website begins:
The action that led to John Kerry's first Purple Heart occurred on December 2, 1968, during the month that he was undergoing training with Coastal Division 14 at Cam Ranh Bay. While waiting to receive his own Swift boat command, Kerry volunteered for a nighttime patrol mission commanding a small, foam-filled "skimmer" craft with two enlisted men.
As MMFA explained, this description matches Kerry's own account, as well as the account of Patrick Runyon and William Zaladonis, two enlisted men who insist that: (1) Schachte was not on the skimmer; (2) that Kerry was in command; and (3) that Runyon and Zaladonis were the only other people besides Kerry on the small craft.
The new, altered version of the Swift Boat Vets account reads:
The action that led to John Kerry's first Purple Heart occurred on December 2, 1968, during the month that he was undergoing training with Coastal Division 14 at Cam Ranh Bay. While waiting to receive his own Swift boat command, Kerry volunteered for a nighttime patrol mission on a small, foam-filled "skimmer" craft under the command of Lt. William Schachte. The two officers were accompanied by an enlisted man who operated the outboard motor.
The Web page's footer reads: "Last Updated Monday, August 30 2004 @ 09:09 PM PDT." -- three days after MMFA's item appeared.
Also Schacte has claimed to be a political independent. He may want to check his cancelled checks.
"Political independent" anti-Kerry vet Schachte contributed to George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004
On August 27, syndicated columnist Robert Novak presented his interview with retired Rear Admiral William L. Schachte Jr. -- who claims to be the fourth crewman on the boat who witnessed the events leading to Senator John Kerry's (D-MA) first Purple Heart -- as decisive evidence supporting the anti-Kerry group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth's allegation that Kerry did not deserve the award. John E. O'Neill, co-founder of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and co-author of Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry, cited Schachte in his book and in television appearances. While Novak wrote that Schachte "said he is a political independent who has voted for candidates of both parties," Schachte has a history of political contributions heavily weighted to Republicans, including $1,000 to George W. Bush's presidential campaigns in both 2000 and 2004.
Since 1997, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, Schachte has contributed $8,500 to federal candidates or national political organizations. All but $1,750 of those donations have gone to Republican candidates or to the Republican Party:
2004
$250 to Senator Charlie Condon (R-SC)
$1,000 to President George W. Bush (R)
2003
$500 to Representative James W. Demint (R-SC)
2001
$1,250 to Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC)
$250 to Representative Joel Hefley (R-CO)
$250 to Senator Wayne Allard (R-CO)
$250 to Henry Brown (R-candidate in SC)
2000
$250 to Republican Party of South Carolina
$750 to Henry Brown (R-candidate in SC)
$500 to Representative John M. Spratt (D-SC)
$1,000 to then-Governor George W. Bush (R)
$250 to H.B. "Buck" Limehouse (R-candidate in SC)
1999
$500 to Senator John W. McCain (R-AZ), presidential candidate
1998
$250 to Representative John M. Spratt (D-SC)
$1,000 to Representative Bob Inglis (R-SC)
$1,000 Senator Ernest F. Hollings (D-SC)
1997
$250 to Representative John M. Spratt (D-SC)
On August 27, writer and blogger Joshua Micah Marshall noted that Schachte is the new law partner of David A. Norcross at the law firm Blank Rome LLP. According to Blank Rome's website, Norcross "was recently appointed Chairman of the Republican National Convention's Committee on Arrangements for the 2004 Republican National Convention."

With a few of them. Some didn't actually show factual errors but were propaganda. Example. 100000 children left without health insurance. That is someone making a guess about something that hasn't happened yet. propaganda. When actual facts are placed before me I see them for what they are. Do you?

Also if he votes to cut spending on intelligence does he then have a right to call the President out on the intelligence failures? It is the double standard that is at question. If you vote one way then blame the other guy for the results that isn't ethical and there you will find my problems with Kerry. In my opinion he is insincere at best.
Rahl

Im going to keep debating you just so I can see your sig over and over again!

Most of these guys just do the "spin" and run game. I am sure there will be more to discuss as the "nastier" John Kerry comes out over the next few weeks...