Lords of Death Forums Lords of Death Forums LoD General Discussion Stretch. Some stuff for you to explain

Ummm, irony 101 Farenheit 9/11? Give me a fucking break dude, you're getting riduclous.

He's never flip flopped ever, everything you saw in those videos was fake, regardless of editing what he says, he said it, how can you deny that? You're so trying to spin this it's funny. Bush is guilty of many things, however this thread is about Kerry, and you refuse to admit that what is being said is true, so as an attempt to spin this, like you're very good at doing, you're trying to turn the arguement around on Bush, we can address Bush later, right now this is about Kerry, so address that.

Your spin attempt is you chasing your tail in a circle like a puppy, nice try though, AGAIN. Your new title should be Lord of Spin.

Thats fair on the video , 9/11 now this, fair is fair. But bush is still so stupid in public , DONT VOTE DUMB vote ANTI-BUSH !

If I'm spinning like you say, you're definitely spinning, so I guess we spin together huh? However you spin 10x more than anyone, there is no need to link to anything , all you have to do is search for your name.

Did stretch say that Farenheight 9/11 was good? I didn't like the movie at all and I hate bush. Michale Moore, Ann Coulter Oreilly, all need to be shot, because they are the ones fucking up this country.

Exactly. 9/11 changed many things in how this administration handled its foreign policy. John Kerry was on board with this policy until it was OPPORTUNISTIC to be on the other side. IE he has flipped in order to get elected.
Stretch my point is this. If you look back into Kerrys record on the senate floor from 1991 to 2003 its was consistent. He even blasts Clinton and McKain for there softer stance against Hussein and Iraq. Then low and behold polls start to show that opposition to the war is what most Democratic Party members are leaning towards. Kerry immediately shifts his position. I'll agree for the last year + he has stayed somewhat consistent on the position of the war in Iraq. Whats laughable is his attempt to make the American Public feel that he always had that position.
Now while Bush may not be the brightest of our many Presidents, I do believe that shifts in administration policy after a devastating series of events like 9/11 are not flip flopping. You act like Bush went to war to get a 2nd term. Bush has to run on his administrations record. Why does Kerry in your view get to run on whatever position is popular in the last 400 days rather then the last 4 years or more. Bottom line is this...
I will vote for Bush because he sticks with a few core beliefs about how Americas future should be routed.
I wont vote for Kerry because he doesnt have even one common belief with my political view, His domestic policy ideas are for shit, and he stands up for nothing but his record in a war that happened over 30 years ago.
The bottome line is that my idea of where and how the USA should be spending tax dollars is a polar opposite formthe welfare chairty state that Kerry is proposing. Raising taxes on the rich to support the poor is a core DNP belief. I run my business to make money, when I make money so do my employees. When I make money I hire more people. Its a simple economic cycle.
I dont run my business to turn my profits into a welfare program. Nothing is free in this world regardless of what class/race you are. It comes from busting your ass.
To me its that simple. Bush has turned this economy around. 9/11 and the war on Iraq is not exactly financially sound since government spending is out of control but I see a definte answer in his admins policies on when that type of spending will be curbed. All these things spell a great future for me, my family, my business, my employees, and there families.
Maybe you can ask John Kerry a few questions for me..
When is the last time a poor person gave you a job?
When is the last time a business with no profits was able to provide healthcare to its employees and there families?
and I will ask you a simple question.
If you worked for me, and were doing an outstanding job, better than anyone in the company, but because of poor economic policy the business was failing to be pofitable, do you deserve a raise?
Let me answer it for you. Its my business, if I dont get a raise what do you think the chances are of my employees getting one.
This may be all over the place from where I started. But I take a very plain look at it. How would Kerry as President effect my family, my business, and therefore my employees wealth potential.
Answer: Bush/Cheney 2004

You were saying the Kerry video was just a blog of edited clips to make him look bad, and I was drawing a comparison to Farenheit 9/11 being the exact same thing. I'm not using that video to make up my mind on Kerry/Bush that video had no bearing on my vote whatsoever, but what it did do was reinforce my reasons for voting for Bush. I was just saying, before you cry wolf with the propoganda machine and mis-edited interviews, look in the mirror first.

listing one of many reasons "why I would never vote for Kerry" you somehow choose to degrade my intellect by making reference to it being the only reason. I feel like Kerry and Bush. But since I posted below a more general reasoning of my position on both candidates I leave that post to do the talking.

NT

Couls,
Glad to hear you stand up for what you believe. It is a hell of a lot better than using Republican talking points, videos, and shouting down those who disagree with you. It takes some balls to come out and say why you stand where you stand. I tried it in a previous thread but no one took me up on it.
It sounds like you will vote for Bush because you belive his economic policies will beneifit you, your family, and your employees. That's fine with me. I can respect people who vote to promote their self-interest.
Help me out though. I'm not a small? (don't know how big your business is so I apolgize if I'm wrong) business owner, but I have some friends who are, and they have expressed some serious concerns around how Bush's economic policies will affect their businesses. What is it in his plan that will help you? If you have the time I'd like to hear it. I'm not looking for shit to flame you for, just a chance to get some insight.