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Like anything, propoganda is on both sides. There is one way to weed through all the bullshit and thats experience it first hand.
When it comes blue collar videos like this, i dont analyze it because im conservative. Its propaganda like anything else is. In my eyes you cant read any article that is bipartisan. There is no such thing, because everyone evolves there own opinion based on others opinions, articles, news ect.
Im sure this video brought a tear to any blue collar/right winged conservative. Thats what it was meant for.

I bet it worked..

If that is the case, I clearly missed his point on the patriot act, but to go back to it, I believe it is extremely difficult to hypothesize any actions the founding fathers would be making in today?s day and age?especially in regards to terrorist issues.

Pulling out is clearly an option and desireable. In a speech last week Colin Powell proposed that we would pull out immediately if the Iraqi's asked us to leave. We are obviously looking for a way out. Why else would we insist on handing over power to a provisonal authority at the end of next month.
The administration didn't know what they were getting into. Bremmer (Rumsfeld's second in command) admitted yesterday that we underestimated the resistance in Iraq.
We need to get out soon, and in a graceful manner, both for our troops sake and for the Iraqi peoples sake.

For every reason you give me for our troops to stay there I can give you 2 why they shouldnt be there. If you gave 2 shits about our troops you wouldnt say pulling out is not an option. It just makes us look bad to the rest of the world. How the world feels about us I could give a rats ass. But when the citizen of this country start questioning why we are there then something is wrong. I say pull out. Only reason you cant see that as an option is because 1. You are a pencil pusher teaching ROTC to High school kids. 2. You are part of George W. Bush's cabinet. 3. The father you never knew Didn't pull out cause if he did you'd be just a fond memory running down your moms ass crack.

that the rights being revoked in the Patriot Act was not what the Founding Fathers had in mind. Thats my take on it

I don't think you have to be concerned about this part
"By backing out now, we not only show that were giving up/showing our incompitance"
There have been globs of posts along the lines of "fuck the world, who cares what they think", "fuck the UN, we don't need them", "fuck every other country, we don't need em or want em".
So really, there is no need to be concerned about what anyone else thinks in the world, as the rest of the world is irrelevant.
Just keep in the front of your thought process that everyone else doesn't matter at all, and then you won't have to be concerned about what anyone thinks. It worked for going in there in the first place, so just use the same approach on exit.

If we pull out we will be paving a path for other terrorists, I never said I agreed with the U.S. being there in the first place.
The fact is were there now, and U.S. troops are getting killed...I'm NOT arguing that.
I'm saying if terrorists see that you can get away with a MAJOR attack on U.S. citizens on U.S. soil, you can bet your ass there will be more attacks to come, and not ONLY from the middle east.
I don't know how you can ignore the fact that by pulling out it will inspire not only the TT terrorists, but other terrorists..isn't that obvious? Yes were losing troops, but they are troops, NOT citizens.
I don't think anymore troops should die, but we've already crossed the line and by going back would result in more deaths of U.S. citizens.

harbors terrorist then let me point out something to you. The majority of the WTC terrorist was from Saudi Arabia NOT Iraq. So WTF does Iraq have to do with anything? Other countrys are still harboring terrorists as we dick around in Iraq. Alot of South African countrys along with Pakistan Iran and Saudi Arabia have terrorist in them. We pretty much decimated the ones that was in Iraq so why not just pull out? Who gives a fuck what other countries say about us. As Arioch said we didnt give a fuck what they had to say when we went in so why give a rats ass what they say when we pull out? If they dont like it have them send there troops into Iraq for all I care. Our troops are citizens not just troops. I appreciate them being there and fighting while im at home with my family but enough is enough. The troops are dieing for a fucken pathetic reason and I think its time for them to come home. Why do you think the military is at an all time low for enlisting? Its because people realize that we dont NEED to be there.

I'm addressing the issue of terrorists. If it is viewed that they got away with the attack, it will empower all terrorists. How can you disclaim that arguement?

And since when did Saddam (Iraq) Terrorize the US? If you ask me Saudi Arabia is who we should fucken bomb. The royal family spends fucken millions on Palaces and shit then tell their citizens that they live is piss poor conditions because of the US. Like 75% of the terrorists from 9/11 was from Saudi Arabia man. You just dont get it do you? We can and we should pull out of that shit hole and let them kill each other for all I care