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#147754 05/18/04 04:42 AM
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Stretch you have some very solid points but your overanalyzing the video...
I wish the quotes weren't in the video at all, but I like the focus the video has.
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The founding fathers would be appalled to see this country trade away its liberty for security.

You think that's what their reaction would be? I highly doubt it, thats the last reaction they would have after a major attack on America...by "major attack" I mean an attack that would provoke current day America to war...comparing the attack on the Twin Towers to perl harbor.
My point is that it's worth a watch... so it appeals to fear/emotion?....it should.

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they should show a video right after of the US " Shock and Awe " campaign. Then say , these people cowering in their houses deserved this. Someway , somehow they were responible for that attack. Then show the couple 1000 that died due to it against the couple 1000 that died in 9/11 , with both sides on a scale and see what side is worth more in pain and suffering.


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After nearly constant fighting with the British, the French and the Native Americans I highly doubt 19 foreigners blowing something up would sway them

Doubt it would sway them? DO you feel when Japan attacked Perl Harbor the US was justified to enter the World War? I havent heard anyone disclaim the US for their actions for WWII.
Comparing this to the Twin TOwers attack, over 3x's as many people died in the Twin Tower attack, than the SMALL Perl Harbor attack.
Futhermore, the attack on Perl Harbor killed military personel...the attack on the Twin Towers killed ONLY CIVILIANS...
wow guy....you think the Four fathers would sit back and do nothing after the LARGEST ATTACK on American soil this CENTURY?
Where's your logic, jesus, you had some till you said the fathers would do nothing about the attack on the Twin Towers..

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So according to Isobel you need to be either a member(LoD) or a registered to say anything?
Isobel you don't offer anyting to this discussion other than "get out or STFU"
How bout you Isobel, tell me who you are, what you have done, what credentials you have, OTHER than your LoD tag...

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I will defend Stretch on this one....the quotes are used out of context to the actual events....
The quotes cite acts of tyranny and occupation by opposing enemy forces and the rebellion from those pressing tyranny and the defense of Liberty and Freedom...
...You could make a strong argument that Jefferson and Adams would be screaming for Liberty at the current time (rally against the Patriot Act).
Dont even think of calling me unpatriotic or sypathetic towards the terrorists who did this act. I burried one friend (he was a trader at Cantor Fitzgerald), lost contact with another friend for 48 hours until phone lines were back up (he worked as a equity analyst in Tower 2), and lost numerous work contacts/aquaintances (look up Fred Alger - they lost 55 out of 67 employees that morning).
I just think the quotes are cited in the wrong context....


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Why are you belittling the hard working servicemen and servicewomen who died in Pearl Harbor? How can you call yourself "Patriot" Pat when you demean the sacrifice they made.
Those people in Pearl Harbor were there to protect your freedom, deliberately putting themselves in harms way to give you your country and future, and here you are posting " ...than the SMALL Perl Harbor attack."
SMALL my ass, it decimated the pacific fleet. And those people on those sinking ships on fire didn't run, they stayed and fired AAK or anything they could. The survivors stayed in the service and went on to fight in some of the nastiest battles ever with an enemy who tortured people beyond recognition. To them it was not "...SMALL perl harbor attack", they rose to the challenge to fight for a future for everyone, including you.
They believed in freedom, including your freedom to demean, insult and belittle the sacrifice they made, I guess.
Your post is disgusting. A true patriot would applaud those who fought on that day, and the many days that followed.




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For those of you who were in NYC on 9/11 and lost friends in the towers as I did this can be very upseting. However it does raise some serious questions about the actions of our leaders during 9/11.
I'm well aware that there are always multiple facets to a story and this shows a specific angle, but it is our duty as American's to consider all of the information at our disposal and make educated decisions based on it.
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/true911.html

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