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Spending money on lunch "with clients". Most people pay for lunch with ANYONE out of their post tax paycheck. They get shit back. You have to eat anyway, don't you?
This is the most uneducated group of sentences I have ever heard from you.
Your reasoning is stellar.
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Why do you think wealthy should pay a higher share than anyone else?
Does it not seemed fundamentally flawed that the more you make the more you are going to have to pay out of your pocket? When you could just do nothing, stay in a mediocre job, never strive for more, and be taken care of? That does not resonate anywhere with you?
The wealthy should pay higher percentage of taxes for the same reason not-so wealthy people pay higher percentage than the people who are below the minimum taxable income (who don't pay any taxes). If everyone was to pay the same percentage of taxes- that would be 0%- equal to the income tax paid by the poorest people.
Saying that everyone below certain income is lazy, mediocre, doesn't work hard and expects to be taken care of is just ridiculous. Income is not proportionate to how hard or smart you work. It's a result of supply and demand and basically the value society places on that persons work. It could be a talent you were born with, or you lucked out or whatever. If you were born with the talent and desire to do something society doesn't care much about or is very common- chances are you would work "hard"- whatever that means but you won't get wealthy. Does that make you lazy or mediocre? I don't think so.
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I agree with you we need to pay taxes.
But for example, if we all payed 30% of course the wealthy will pay substantially more, but it still fair to everyone. Why should the more you make the higher percentage you pay?
I did not mean to imply that people who do not make a high income are lazy.
What I am saying is motivation to make more, if you will be taxed an increasing amount, is slim. And ridiculously that going up a bracket can actually mean less money in your pocket.
So again, why is it that wealthy should pay a disproportional amount to anyone else? Why should it be as the more they make there taxes increase?
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I agree with you we need to pay taxes.
But for example, if we all payed 30% of course the wealthy will pay substantially more, but it still fair to everyone. Why should the more you make the higher percentage you pay?
I did not mean to imply that people who do not make a high income are lazy.
What I am saying is motivation to make more, if you will be taxed an increasing amount, is slim. And ridiculously that going up a bracket can actually mean less money in your pocket.
So again, why is it that wealthy should pay a disproportional amount to anyone else? Why should it be as the more they make there taxes increase?
The reason there is a sliding scale for taxes is because at lower levels people spend a larger portion of their income on necessities. With a 30% tax on a $8k/year income you would basically tax that person's food, shelter and transportation. Without those basic needs people won't be an adequate work force and will further lose income and just end up in poverty and misery. A 30% tax on $200k income, you are taxing not the needs but portion of the wants. You can still live without it, maybe you would be less motivated to produce the extra income but you won't be on the street. There is no question that taxation should be on a sliding scale to be fair or to make sense for the economy as well. I don't know what exactly the percentages should be but in a recession and excess spending and deficit, I think taxing the wants of the wealthy is better than taxing the needs of the poor.
Obviously something is wrong with the current system or we wouldn't be where we are. Putting a little more burden on those above $250k income is not unfair imo but is also better for society in general.
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its a privilege for poor minorities
go spurs go
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the principle of the american dream is that with hard work and dedication you can become anything you want to be. is it my fault that someone cant earn more than 20k a year?
go spurs go
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Obviously something is wrong with the current system or we wouldn't be where we are. Putting a little more burden on those above $250k income is not unfair imo but is also better for society in general.
This is where you make the mistake of thinking anyone gives a fuck about "society". They don't. It is about them and their families and the almighty dollar. Why should "society" get a benefit off of their hard work? Everyone knows that nobody works hard and deserves to keep their money but the wealthy.
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only in America do the rich suffer from victimology. It is a priviledge to have a large income and be in a higher tax bracket, not a punishment.
Priviledge to have a large income? C'mon now. Its an opportunity.
Some may be born with it, while others work hard to attain it. If you don't have it, there could be many reasons but the one reason that probably tops the list is just laziness and lack of self-sacrafice.
It saddens me that some people think we should remove the motivation to earn a high income, by providing socialistic hand-outs. America's competitive nature combined with opportunity is one of the main traits that drives this country and have made it such a power.
-Bal.
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Secondly, massive wealth gaps cause social upheaval which lead to decreased opportunity. See the American gilded age and the era leading up the Great Depression. We keep needing to relearn this lesson. When CEOs make 500 times the pay of their average worker, there are problems. They certainly did not do 500 times the work regardless of how you calculate in college education.
What's this have to do with anything? We are going into a depression because our government and the average citizen do not know how to keep a budget or save money.
The average CEO does not make 500 times the average worker. I would put it maybe at 50 times more than the average worker their company, not to mention CEO's put their name and job on the line every decision they make.
I'm guessing you are comparing Stan O'Neal to the person mowing the lawn outside.
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a bit off topic, but I'd just like to say...thanks for paying me to shoot all my favorite weapons guys. Ya'll rock.
I think we get some demo too. Should be good times.
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